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From: Peter Webb on 4 Jun 2010 01:00 "hanson" <hanson(a)quick.net> wrote in message news:hua0fs$mp2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: >> "Me, ...again!" <arthures(a)mv.com> wrote: >> > Arthur wrote: >>> This thread started over relativity and someone saying that "Einstein >>> was right [about relativity]" and all I was focused on was relativity. >>> ... my commentary is that Einsteins SR/GR has its serious critics and >>> their criticisms are not trivial and that has to be recognized instead >>> of the hand-waving, beating the drums, and self-congratulation the PR >>> press releases make noise about. >>> > Peter wrote: >> All physical theories are subject to criticism. >> So what? >> > hanson wrote: > Here guys, this may put things back on track.... ahahahaha.... >> > "metric":.. ahahahaha... in all fairness it must be said that > |||| == Einstein & his contributions to physics is/are what |||| > |||| == Picasso's contributions are to the world of fine art. |||| >> > ||| AE:: "People like us, who believe in physics, know that > ||| AE:: the distinction between past, present, and future is > ||| AE:: only a stubbornly persistent illusion." > |||AE:: "Space and time are NOT conditions in which we > |||AE:: live; they are simply modes in which we think." >> > That's the mindset & the weltbild of these 2 Jewish Fartists: Ohh, so its a Jewish thing. Hardly surprising; most anti-Einstein cranks are motivated by anti-Semitism and not a knowledge of physics.
From: Martin Brown on 4 Jun 2010 07:49 On 03/06/2010 13:26, Me, ...again! wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Martin Brown wrote: > >> I think you really need to learn to recognise Usenet kooks. > > Oh, I've had two decades of experience. But, I was happy to see serious > discussion following my posts of the book list. > >> By any reasonable definition Einstein was a *genius*. His >> contributions to quantum mechaincs and relativity were both very >> important to modern physics. It is telling that even today so many >> people cannot cope with the mathematical insights he provided. As I >> pointed out before the derivation of the Einstein-Lorentz equations >> for special relativity can be done with nothing more than >> consideration of two metre rules passing each other and cataloguing >> the mutual events. > > I will defer the arguments to people who know the material much better > than I know it, and I have not studied this stuff since college days > (many decades ago, and my career went into biology and out of physics, > anyway). One way I judge any area of study is by finding the "experts" > and trying to learn what controversies and interpretations are currently > being entertained, what claims are being made and refuted, and what is > being said in the newspapers compared to what is being said in the > scholarly monographs and review papers and by people who do this stuff > for a living and have been doing it for decades, too. For that to work you have to know enough about the subject be able to distinguish who are the experts and the ever present netkooks. What you have posted so far and your "methodology" suggests that you cannot. There may be others like Hilbert and Ricci who should get more public credit for their contributions (particularly on the mathematics) but Einstein brought it all together and provided the inspired physical interpretation. Nothing that any of these deranged nutters says can alter the fact that every experiment to date has confirmed the theory. Regards, Martin Brown
From: Helmut Wabnig hwabnig on 4 Jun 2010 07:59 On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:38:46 +0100, Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 04/06/2010 06:00, Peter Webb wrote: >> >> "hanson" <hanson(a)quick.net> wrote in message >> news:hua0fs$mp2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> "Me, ...again!" <arthures(a)mv.com> wrote: >>>> >>> Arthur wrote: >>>>> This thread started over relativity and someone saying that >>>>> "Einstein was right [about relativity]" and all I was focused on was >>>>> relativity. ... my commentary is that Einsteins SR/GR has its >>>>> serious critics and their criticisms are not trivial and that has to >>>>> be recognized instead of the hand-waving, beating the drums, and >>>>> self-congratulation the PR press releases make noise about. >>>>> >>> Peter wrote: >>>> All physical theories are subject to criticism. >>>> So what? >>>> >>> hanson wrote: >>> Here guys, this may put things back on track.... ahahahaha.... >>>> >>> "metric":.. ahahahaha... in all fairness it must be said that >>> |||| == Einstein & his contributions to physics is/are what |||| >>> |||| == Picasso's contributions are to the world of fine art. |||| >>>> >>> ||| AE:: "People like us, who believe in physics, know that >>> ||| AE:: the distinction between past, present, and future is >>> ||| AE:: only a stubbornly persistent illusion." >>> |||AE:: "Space and time are NOT conditions in which we >>> |||AE:: live; they are simply modes in which we think." >>>> >>> That's the mindset & the weltbild of these 2 Jewish Fartists: >> >> Ohh, so its a Jewish thing. >> >> Hardly surprising; most anti-Einstein cranks are motivated by >> anti-Semitism and not a knowledge of physics. > >Ahahahahahhanson is as mad as a hatter and a really good advert for why >you should not distil mercury on the open lab bench. > >The only thing all these various authors against Einstein have in common >is that they hate Einstein for a basketful of different reasons and that >is the only common factor. Their alternatives are all mutually >inconsistent with reality and each other. > >ahahaHanson is pure kill file material. He never posts anything about >science other than the demented ravings of an anti-Semitic raving loony. > >Regards, >Martin Brown Well, sometimes he (hans hanson) is quite funny. But I am a dingleberry (hanson says so) because Einstein did away with the Ether, that nebulous undefined unknown something and nothing. If EARTH has an ether, then every single Atom must have an ether, and every etherist like hanson must have an ether becaue etherists consits of atoms, like EARTH does, albeit only less in number. Listen carefully, hanson. I propose that a personal ETHER, which the etherists drag with them all the times, is rather made of ETHANOL atoms, which emanate from their Schnapsnase, protracting into empty space above their moutpieces. Alternatively, a personal ETHER may arouse from skin excretes and incontinent urine droppings from the etherist's diapers after excess ethanol consumation. In other words and for short: ETHERISTS STINK. (Newton, Galilei, btw, were NOT etherists, that stinking theory only emerged later in time). w.
From: mpc755 on 4 Jun 2010 09:31 On Jun 4, 7:59 am, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat> wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:38:46 +0100, Martin Brown > > > > <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >On 04/06/2010 06:00, Peter Webb wrote: > > >> "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote in message > >>news:hua0fs$mp2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > >>> "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>> "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > > >>> Arthur wrote: > >>>>> This thread started over relativity and someone saying that > >>>>> "Einstein was right [about relativity]" and all I was focused on was > >>>>> relativity. ... my commentary is that Einsteins SR/GR has its > >>>>> serious critics and their criticisms are not trivial and that has to > >>>>> be recognized instead of the hand-waving, beating the drums, and > >>>>> self-congratulation the PR press releases make noise about. > > >>> Peter wrote: > >>>> All physical theories are subject to criticism. > >>>> So what? > > >>> hanson wrote: > >>> Here guys, this may put things back on track.... ahahahaha.... > > >>> "metric":.. ahahahaha... in all fairness it must be said that > >>> |||| == Einstein & his contributions to physics is/are what |||| > >>> |||| == Picasso's contributions are to the world of fine art. |||| > > >>> ||| AE:: "People like us, who believe in physics, know that > >>> ||| AE:: the distinction between past, present, and future is > >>> ||| AE:: only a stubbornly persistent illusion." > >>> |||AE:: "Space and time are NOT conditions in which we > >>> |||AE:: live; they are simply modes in which we think." > > >>> That's the mindset & the weltbild of these 2 Jewish Fartists: > > >> Ohh, so its a Jewish thing. > > >> Hardly surprising; most anti-Einstein cranks are motivated by > >> anti-Semitism and not a knowledge of physics. > > >Ahahahahahhanson is as mad as a hatter and a really good advert for why > >you should not distil mercury on the open lab bench. > > >The only thing all these various authors against Einstein have in common > >is that they hate Einstein for a basketful of different reasons and that > >is the only common factor. Their alternatives are all mutually > >inconsistent with reality and each other. > > >ahahaHanson is pure kill file material. He never posts anything about > >science other than the demented ravings of an anti-Semitic raving loony. > > >Regards, > >Martin Brown > > Well, sometimes he (hans hanson) is quite funny. > > But I am a dingleberry (hanson says so) because Einstein did away > with the Ether, that nebulous undefined unknown something and nothing. Einstein did not do away with the aether. Einstein's 'first paper' is all about the aether: http://www.worldscibooks.com/etextbook/4454/4454_chap1.pdf Einstein did not say the aether was superfluous. What Einstein said was an absolutely stationary space was superfluous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_Mirabilis_papers "These two postulates suffice for the attainment of a simple and consistent theory of the electrodynamics of moving bodies based on Maxwell's theory for stationary bodies. The introduction of a "luminiferous ether" will prove to be superfluous in as much as the view here to be developed will not require an "absolutely stationary space" provided with special properties, nor assign a velocity-vector to a point of the empty space in which electromagnetic processes take place." Einstein goes on to state space without aether is unthinkable: 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" Einstein goes so far as to define the state of the aether as being determined by its connections with the matter: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" What Einstein was unable to do was to define the cause which determines the state of the aether: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state." The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. E=mc^2, conservation of mass, conservation of energy, gravity, double slit experiments, Higg's background field, what physically causes atomic clocks to 'tick' at different rates, Einstein's train gedanken, and on and on and on the list of things which are completely misunderstood in physics today are easily understood with the theory of Aether Displacement. Aether and matter are different states of the same material. The material is mæther. Mæther has mass. Aether and matter have mass. Aether is uncompressed mæther and matter is compressed mæther. Aether is displaced by matter. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether. Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. The aether wave enters and exits multiple slits. The aether wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the aether wave and there is not interference. 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. EINSTEIN' http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy. Mass does not convert to energy. Matter converts to aether. As the mæther transitions from matter to aether it increases in volume. The physical effect the increase in volume has on the neighboring matter and aether is energy. The physical effect of mæther decompressing is energy. Mass is conserved. The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth" causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS). 'The Need to Understand Mass' By Roger Cashmore Department of Physics University of Oxford, UK. http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs2.htm "There is, however, one very clever and very elegant solution to this problem, a solution first proposed by Peter Higgs. He proposed that the whole of space is permeated by a field, similar in some ways to the electromagnetic field. As particles move through space they travel through this field, and if they interact with it they acquire what appears to be mass. This is similar to the action of viscous forces felt by particles moving through any thick liquid. the larger the interaction of the particles with the field, the more mass they appear to have. Thus the existence of this field is essential in Higg's hypothesis for the production of the mass of particles." The "action of viscous forces felt by particles moving through any thick liquid" is the particles interaction with the aether. The force is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle. The "thick liquid" is the aether behaving as a frictionless superfluid 'one something'. "the larger the interaction of the particles with the field, the more mass they appear to have." The faster the particle moves with respect to the aether, the greater the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle. 'Politics, Solid State and the Higgs' By David Miller Department of Physics and Astronomy University College, London, UK. http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs3.htm "1. The Higgs Mechanism In three dimensions, and with the complications of relativity, this is the Higgs mechanism. In order to give particles mass, a background field is invented which becomes locally distorted whenever a particle moves through it. The distortion - the clustering of the field around the particle - generates the particle's mass. The idea comes directly from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout all space a solid contains a lattice of positively charged crystal atoms. When an electron moves through the lattice the atoms are attracted to it, causing the electron's effective mass to be as much as 40 times bigger than the mass of a free electron." The distortion of the background field is the displacement of the aether by the moving particle. The 'clustering' of the field around the particle is the 'displacing back'. The 'clustering' of the field is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether towards the particle. "The idea comes directly from the physics of solids." The aether behaves as a frictionless superfluid 'one something'. > If EARTH has an ether, then every single Atom must have an ether, > and every etherist like hanson must have an ether becaue etherists > consits of atoms, like EARTH does, albeit only less in number. > > Listen carefully, hanson. > I propose that a personal ETHER, which the etherists drag with them > all the times, is rather made of ETHANOL atoms, which emanate from > their Schnapsnase, protracting into empty space above their > moutpieces. > Alternatively, a personal ETHER may arouse from skin excretes and > incontinent urine droppings from the etherist's diapers after excess > ethanol consumation. > > In other words and for short: ETHERISTS STINK. > > (Newton, Galilei, btw, were NOT etherists, that stinking theory > only emerged later in time). > > w.
From: Peter Webb on 4 Jun 2010 09:39
> Ohh, so its a Jewish thing. > Hardly surprising; most anti-Einstein cranks are motivated > by anti-Semitism and not a knowledge of physics. >> > hanson wrote: > ... ahahahaha... Where is there any Anti-Semitism?.. unless > you, the quintessential Einstein Dinglebnerry, cannot see > that only the kikes amongst the Jews do generate and > promulgate Anti- Semitism... I think you have answered your own question concerning anti-semitism. You know zero physics, you are just some little wannabe Nazi turd who figures that because Einstein was Jewish, and a physicist, sci.physics is therefore an appropriate place call people kikes. I wonder why you bother. Nobody is impressed. |