From: Jeff Liebermann on
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:13:32 -0700, John Higdon <higgy(a)kome.com>
wrote:

>That begs the question: then why is it so mediocre in the US *cities*?

There are also isolated areas in the middle of cities where there's no
broadband. They're easy to find. Just look on the rooftops for
HughesNet or Wild Blue satellite dishes. For example, right next to
UCSC, which has excellent connectivity, is the community of Cave Gulch
with about 40 residences straddling Empire Grade. The fiber for AT&T
goes up Empire grade. Comcast cable/fiber stops at the University.
So, there's no DSL and no cable. I know of several other communities
with similar isolated areas of no broadband[1]. My guess is that the
numbers are not huge, but still significant. Oddly, as the FCC keeps
waving the mantra of connectivity to RURAL areas, none of these
qualify as genuinely rural, and will therefore be served last.

It's most likely going to follow the model of rural electrification in
the 1950's. The government subsidized the power companies to provide
power to unprofitable rural areas. I expect the broadband plan to
degenerate into much the same thing. Whether that will provide more
or better service is debatable, but it will certainly add some taxes
to the existing services, that can be either stolen or redirected,
such as the FCC's Universal Service Fund, E-Rate, and 911 PSAP
funding.

[1] My favorite irony is that some of the major fiber runs in SCZ
County go through farm areas, or along the coast, that have no
broadband service. The DWDM fiber bundle goes right through these
areas (because Caltrans won't allow cable runs on the freeways).
<http://noc.ucsc.edu/CCBC/UCSC-CENIC%2011-13-08.pdf>
<http://noc.ucsc.edu/CCBC/att-map.html>

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From: Jeff Liebermann on
<On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:29:44 -0700, Roy <aa4re(a)aa4re.ampr.org> wrote:

>Density is the difference. Its easy to justify running fiber when the
>line supports multiple households.

Tell that to those farmers that are leasing the right of way to AT&T
and Comcast, but can't get DSL or cable. See map at:
<http://noc.ucsc.edu/CCBC/att-map.html>
Some of the fiber run in the Moss Landing area has no DSL service. The
part that does has it via UCSC/UCMB which lease some of the fiber.
Same problem between Santa Cruz and Davenport. AT&T and Comcast fiber
go right by numerous homes and farms, but no service. Running the
fiber and providing RT (remote terminal) pedestals are quite
different.

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From: John Richards on
"John Higdon" <higgy(a)kome.com> wrote in message news:higgy-4B9801.23133217032010(a)news.announcetech.com...
> That begs the question: then why is it so mediocre in the US *cities*? I
> live in San Jose. What are my choices? 6Mb Sonic? 6Mb Speakeasy? (Cuz I
> live near the CO, I can get these; others aren't so fortunate.) Whoopee.
> If I didn't live exactly where I do, there are wireless business
> services I could get (but not here). And none of these are cheap.
>
> Again, I live in the center of San Jose, the state's third most populous
> city (tenth in the nation). There's no density problem here.

Even San Jose has nowhere near the population density of Seoul.

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From: Jeff Liebermann on
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:52:39 -0700, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

>"US broadband seeks ISP speed stickers"
><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/17/national_broadband_plan_one/>

Federally managed SLA's (Service Level Agreements) for consumers?

I can't wait for the tin foil hat crowd to suggest that they add a
warning label to the sticker. "Exposure to RF might be hazardous to
your health". Bring on the ammendments. It probably won't happen,
but if it does, you probably won't recognize the final version.

Hmmm... they forgot about latency, MOS score, and suitability for
VoIP. Yet, that's the justification for switching the Universal
Service Fund from POTS service to data service.

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From: Jeff Liebermann on
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:20:02 -0700, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

>"FCC Broadband Speed Tests Should Also Support Enforcement"
><http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/191430/fcc_broadband_speed_tests_should_also_support_enforcement.html>

A non-speeding ticket for surfing too slow?

Actually, that poses an interesting problem. If the consumer doesn't
get their FCC mandated minimum allowable performance because of some
kind of upstream failure, can the consumers ISP pass the fines on to
the upstream providers?



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