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From: DanS on 19 Mar 2010 15:03 John Higdon <higgy(a)kome.com> wrote in news:higgy-973BF2.10023619032010(a)news.announcetech.com: > In article > <Xns9D404E5D5B49Ethisnthatroadrunnern(a)216.196.97.131>, > DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t(a)r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote: > >> Yeah, the 10 mbps d/l speeds I get aren't any better than >> 56k dial-up. > > Where on earth do you get 10mbps speeds? But yes, it does > pale compared to the 100 mbps that my friends in Japan > get...and pay less for it. > I get full saturation of 10 mbps d/l speeds from Time/Warner in a suburb of Buffalo, NY when using two d/l threads from Giganews. Using any more d/l threads is a waste, as more threads don't come down any faster. This 10mbps from Giganews happens at any time of the day. There doesn't seem to be any other provider of anything that has the capability to send to me at that speed....or maybe more accurately, web pages are 'bursty' data, so it may be that fast, but for a very short time period. When d/l'g from Giganews, it is sustained at that level, for hours on end. From home, when I do a bandwidth test from a T/W server, 'in network', the d/l results are usually over 20mbps. But real life is choked down to 10mbps.
From: John Higdon on 19 Mar 2010 15:09 In article <epmdnat677w8VT7WnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d(a)posted.southvalleyinternet>, Roy <aa4re(a)aa4re.ampr.org> wrote: > People always seem to want the government to provide some great benefit > as long as someone else pays for it. I never said I wanted something for free. I just don't understand why if I want the same level of Internet service at home that my friends in other countries get, I have to become a CLEC or trench fiber optic circuits from MaeWest to my home. Sure, I could set up a microwave link from one of my clients and make an arrangement to get Internet from them...but that is hardly "easy availability of broadband". -- John Higdon +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400 AT&T-Free At Last
From: John Higdon on 19 Mar 2010 15:14 In article <Xns9D4099418CB69thisnthatroadrunnern(a)216.196.97.131>, DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t(a)r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote: > I get full saturation of 10 mbps d/l speeds from Time/Warner in > a suburb of Buffalo, NY when using two d/l threads from > Giganews. Using any more d/l threads is a waste, as more threads > don't come down any faster. Aren't you fortunate? This is the Bay Area. Note the "ba" in the newsgroup name. We don't have such service here. We don't have anything close. Comcast advertises "15Mbps" connectivity, but what it really is amounts to this: you get 15Mbps burst speed for the first five to ten megabytes of a file download. After that, it drops to something like 3Mbps. You have to read the fine print to find that out. > From home, when I do a bandwidth test from a T/W server, 'in > network', the d/l results are usually over 20mbps. But real life > is choked down to 10mbps. I'm so happy for you. Be glad you don't live in Silicon Valley. -- John Higdon +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400 AT&T-Free At Last
From: Roy on 19 Mar 2010 15:38 On 3/19/2010 12:02 PM, John Higdon wrote: > In article > <_6idne3WvqASWj7WnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d(a)posted.southvalleyinternet>, > Roy<aa4re(a)aa4re.ampr.org> wrote: > >> If you like cooperatives, start one. Anyone can become a CLEC and start >> digging up the streets. Nothing prevents this. >> >> Just don't use any tax dollars. > > I suggest, if you want some very interesting reading, that you check > into the lobbying efforts of ILECs to make sure that CLECs get the short > end of all regulatory sticks. For instance, reciprocal payments, a > policy designed by the RBOCs to financially burden upstart CLEC had the > policy blow up in their faces and found the money flowing in the reverse > direction. AT&T's answer? Just don't pay. AT&T is big enough that it > seems to be able to thumb its nose at everyone. > > Yes, "anyone can become a CLEC" but what happens after that might be > something you will want to investigate. > I was a CLEC so I am familiar with the landscape. We were going to do data only so things like reciprocal payments aren't applicable. There was little in the way as long as you didn't try to use the phone company's resources. As an example, renting pole space from PG&E was straight forward.
From: Roy on 19 Mar 2010 15:41
On 3/19/2010 12:03 PM, Bob wrote: > On 18/03/2010 15:53, AES wrote: >> In article<bPidncrTJ7axezzWnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d(a)bt.com>, >> Bob<bob(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> >>> While this is probably common in the US I don't believe it would be >>> allowed in countries who wish to push forward broadband expansion and >>> capability. If a company is prepared to "light the fibre" they should be >>> allowed to do so for a "reasonable" fee payable to the owner of the >>> fibre. >> >> There are two sides to this problem: Situations where companies (or >> other organizations) own dark fiber but aren't willing to lease it, but >> also situations where dark fiber is available for lease but prospective >> users aren't willing to lease, even for backhaul purposes. >> >> We have a neighborhood where AT&T could install Uverse with some local >> trenching, then lease currently dark fiber owned by a municipal system >> to complete the connection to their central facility several miles away. >> >> Sorry, says AT&T -- we won't go into any situation where we don't _own_ >> the entire fiber setup, all the way from the customer to our central >> facility. >> >> Hmmm -- wonder why that's their policy? > Amsterdam's FTTH. > "The second decision was to build an open-access, passive fiber plant > that would support multiple ISPs in competition. In practice this > translates to: > > * Unbundled dark fiber access lines which can be rented individually by > an ISP who wants to serve that particular customer > * ISPs can get access to APOPs to install their line cards and related > equipment, patch in their customer access line, and connect to their own > backhaul network" > <http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/how-amsterdam-was-wired-for-open-access-fiber.ars/> > Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world Personal income tax in the Netherlands is 10% higher. |