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From: George Hammond on 24 Mar 2005 18:26 "Don H" <donlhumphries(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message news:WID0e.10356$C7.9405(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Thanks for answers, even when only quoting Chapter and Verse from the > Scriptures. > Consider - > [Hammond] "Yawn... the God of that species will disappear. Remember, the > God of a man is a full grown man, the god of a horse is a full grown horse, > the God of a Frog is a full grown frog. Therefore if frogs disappear, the > God of a Frog disappears too, but not the God of the Giraffe's." > Questions: > (1) Does this mean polytheism? [Hammond] No... "the God of Monotheism" is universal to every living thing... including dogs, cats, horses, alpacas, herrings, even plants. It's sort of like the word "car".... there are Chevies, Fords, VW's, and Ferrarai's... but still you can still make a statment such as "the car was invented in the 20th century" for instance. Same with the word "God"... the God of a Frog is a perfect Frog, the God of a Horse is a perfect Horse... nevertheless, Horses, Man, Dogs, and Salmon will all agree that there is something called "God". > (2) Or is it merely the same "God" manifesting Himself in various species? [Hammond] Yes of course. > (3) Even if invisible, intangible, and totally undetectable by any > scientific experiment? [Hammond] "God" is visible, tangible and measureable to two decimal points, you're just unaware of it. Read my paper to find out how. http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html > (4) When do we have a "full grown" anything? [Hammond] The Secular Trend is a typical "S-curve" and all S-curves eventually reach a plateau representing 100% (100% growth in this case). This celebrated event is called "Kingdom Come" in theology... and from the looks of the Secualr Trend data, has many more thousands of years to reach 100%. At THAT POINT, every adult person in the human race will be "full grown". Incidentally there is a Secular Trend in gowth of virtually EVERY living thing, and remarkable, the lower the species is the better grown. In fact it is rather noticeable that the lower classes of Man are actually better grown than the upper classes. Among the species; horses are better grown than men, cats are better grown than horses, fish are better grown than cats..... in fact is is arguable that a VIRUS is in fact a "fully grown species" since you can actually count the atoms in a virus and it is known that they are threfore "fully grown". In that sense, a virus has been the first living thing to cross the finish line and achieve "eternal life" and "kingdom come"... which is interesting... even if it is only of academic interest. > (5) And when and how would we recognise it if we encountered it? [Hammond] If you ever met a "fully grown man" you would be looking God in the face! Supposedly this is who Jesus was... and is why people would flock for hundreds of miles just to see him. today, highly grown specimans always attract noteriety.. movie stars for example... if Elvis Presley, John Wayne, Sophia Loren or any other remarkably high growth person walks into town, crowds of gawkers quickly collect. THAT is how you will "recognize them"! > (6) If respective Gods disappear when species disappear that brings us back > to the enduring deity of traditional religion, ie. the one who is there for > all eternity and which supposedly explains the existence of you and me, and > the universe? [Hammond] Just because they stopped producing Edsel's and Nash Rambler's does not mean we abandoned the word "car". Likewise, if the Right Whale becomes extinct, we will hardly aboandon the word "God". > (7) This God is, presumably, detached from any specific species; what is his > character?, and how do you prove his existence, i.e. independently of > psychometric species-dependency? [Hammond] Sorry... no private tutorials...... it's all on my website... you''ll have to read it for yourself. > (8) If such detached God is not Human-related, then he/she/it could be a > bug-eyed monster, with a sadistic sense of humour, living solo, or one of a > clan of similar beasts? [Hammond] Sorry... no private tutorials...... it's all on my website... you''ll have to read it for yourself. > (9) Is the human brain a case of over-specialisation, an evolutionary > defect, which will cause our imminent extinction? [Hammond] The question is irrelevant to the scientific proof of God. > (10) If I say I've been on hotline-to-heaven and assert George H to be a > false prophet, how can you prove me wrong - except by force of arms? > PS: [Hammond] the proof you are worng has already been published in the peer reviewed litt: http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html > Is "Yawn", like "Amen", except at start, instead of at end, of Sermon? [Hammond] No... I yawn THROUGHOUT your entire commentary! > > [Hammond] > > Thanks Don for posting some rational comment... I know it takes > > much strength and bravery to do so when the kooks are screaming > > "Barabbas, Barabbas..." at the top of their lungs........ ==================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com ==================================== Join COSA church (Church of the Scientific Advent) Send a blank email to COSAchurch(a)hotmail.com and your email address will be added to the COSA discussion list (free, no obligation) ==================================== and please ask your news service to add: alt.sci.relativistic-proof-of-god.moderated ===================================
From: George Hammond on 24 Mar 2005 18:43 "Kamerynn" <idon'tdoemail(a)sorry.com> wrote in message news:1145jma8p6a394(a)corp.supernews.com... > >>>[Hammond] > >>>Dear Philosophy newsgroup readers..... can't I get some kind of > >>>an INTELLIGENT-SERIOUS comment from someone..... the nerds > >>>on the physics newsgroups are driving me crazy with nonsense about this. > >>>George Hammond, physicist > >>>================================= > >>> ELEMENTARY SCIENTIFIC > >>> PROOF OF GOD > >>> > >>> > >>><snip citations about mental speed and IQ> > >>> > >>> > >>>[Hammond] > >>>OK, ... let me give you a simple heuristic picture > >>>that explains what GOD is, in TWO STEPS: > >> > >>Kam: > >> Of course your first step is to "explain what God > >>is." > >>1 - God is (defined as) x > >>2 - x is proven to exist > >>3 - Therefore, God is proven to exist. > >> > >> The above, circular argument doesn't prove that > >>God exists, but merely redefines God as something that > >>already exists. > > > > > >>[Kam] > >> If you were about to prove the existence of God, you > >>would *not* begin by explaining what God is, but by > >>calling upon our already available accounts of God, and > >>observing that such a thing exists. You've always put the > >>cart before the horse on this one, although you've never > >>admitted it. > > > > > > [Ham] > > Kam.... I've already DONE THAT and published it in > > the peer reviewed academic literature. But THAT involves > > 16 pages of print: > > http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html > > which nobody including YOU has time to read... so THIS > > EXERCISE is a synopsis of the RESULT based on that > > EXISITNG AND PUBLISHED rigorous scientific proof. > > And, BTW, that is eaxctly what the proof consists of... > > a demonstration that "X phenomena" which is proven to > > exist.... completely and overwhemingly explains in complete > > detail... everything that has ever been reported about the > > phenomena of God, including the entire Bible. > > Kam: > You've posted that link before, and it still doesn't > rectify your cart/horse problem. [Hammond] Liar. > It leaves the discussion > open as to whether or not God *really is* brain growth deficit. [Hammond] Liar... it is a PROOF of that fact. A proof that YOU are unable to refute. > Of course, many people don't believe that He is. [Hammond] I'm not interested in "beliefs", I'm only interested in PROOF... and I'm the only one who has it. > *Instead*, > they believe that God created brains, and that brain growth > deficit itself is a part of His divine plan. Orthodoxy > directly contradicts your "explanation" of God - the one > you created for no purpose but to serve your theory. [Hammond] WRONG.... that kind of hypocritical stupidity has been run out of court as OBSOLETE by the discovery of the scientific explanation of God. If A=B, then it is merely "convention" as to whether A created B or B created A... and of course no nothing kooks like you with no scientific credentials are relegated to the back wards of mental hospitals to sit there and argue forever which is the case. MEANWHILE competent people understand that if the "mind produces reality".... and the brain "exists in said created reality"... then kooks like you can argue forever that "reality created the brain" instead of "the brain created reality". That's simply because you're an envious unqualified and unaccomplished kook. Normal people, including scientists and religious people, can easily see that the discovery CLEARLY explains both the "physics viewpoint" and the "religious viewpoint" and BOTH of them are correct. AND WE DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO UNACCOMPLISHED FRAUDS LIKE YOU TRY TO OBFUSCATE THE DISCOVERY. Frankly, I'd suggest you try to find some honest employment since you are now an anachronism in Philosophy... perhaps selling shoes or something bigshot. You certainly have nothing of interest to say to me, and I have no intention of wasting my breath arguing with echollaiated tautologists such as you. ==================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com ==================================== Join COSA church (Church of the Scientific Advent) Send a blank email to COSAchurch(a)hotmail.com and your email address will be added to the COSA discussion list (free, no obligation) ==================================== and please ask your news service to add: alt.sci.relativistic-proof-of-god.moderated ===================================
From: George Hammond on 24 Mar 2005 18:45 "stew dean" <stewdean(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1111652025.440765.128480(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > George Hammond wrote: > > <apieceofstring(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1111634444.977858.205300(a)o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > > > > George Hammond wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > Seriously though. > > > > > One person may percieve 12 frames per second.... another may > > > percieve > > > > > 30... but by all accounts reality actually progresses at > millions > > > of > > > > > frames per second -- if it's discreet at all, which is an open > > > > > question. > > > > > So by that logic, reality isn't 15% invisible, it's 99.9% > > > invisible! > > > > > > > > [Hammond] > > > > Wrong logic. It's like having a lo-pass filter > > > > over your entire sensory system. You can't notice > > > > that small twich, that small glint in the eye before > > > > the gunslinger slaps leather... and you wind up in > > > > boot hill with a lot of other suckers who thought > > > > they were "fast". > > > > > > > </snip> > > > > > > So where is God in that analogy? Is he the gunsmith? Boot hill? The > > > small twitch? > > > > [Hammond] > > God is higher speed. > > That's why Jesus said "God quickens the flesh". > > And why God judges the "quick and the dead". > > And why God gives you life "more abundantly". > > Classic Hammond. Buy a dictionary George. > > > > > > > > > Point A is a story illustrating that long reaction time can be > > > unhealthy. > > > > [Hammond] > > That's why people go to church. Learning what God is, > > and the fact that it will "quicken your flesh", is what > > Religion is all about... in case no one ever told you. > > You say X is all about Y then you say it's about Z instead. God is all > about this, religion is all about that. Intelligence is mental speed, > god is the gap between er, two different kinds of growth and now > religion is about speed of perception which can be learnt apparantly. > > > > > Point B is an alleged Proof of God. > > > > [Hammond] > > No my website (wch. includes my PEER-PUBLISHED papers) > > is the alleged proof of God. Why don't you read it? > > > > > > > > Is there any connection between point A and point B? > > > > [Hammond] > > I don't see any "A's and B's"... whaddaru talking about? > > Where others see descreat frames you see a blur. Urm. It's what I've > also been saying - you have a step 1 and a step 2 but nearly always no > actual link between the two. In this case step 1 is how fast your > sensory perception works and step 2 is, er, god. > > Stew Dean >
From: George Hammond on 24 Mar 2005 18:48 "Guy Svenhardt" <anonymous(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4tu0e.14990$C47.108(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > "George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> wrote in message > news:Yts0e.7089$S46.5522(a)newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > > > "Brandon Loudermilk" <toe11(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in > > message news:rOr0e.51612$c72.37089(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... > > > > > > > Guy, you have offered considerable insight into the various > > > falsifications/psychotic "thinking" paraded in "Hammond's" "Spog". > > > > [Hammond] > >.... since Pergamon Press does not > > publish psychobabble. > > The only thing that you've ever proven in your miserable excuse for a > life is that Pergamon Press will publish complete trash. > > AntiSPOG: > http://schornak.de/aspog/0000.htm > http://schornak.de/aspog/0001.htm > http://schornak.de/aspog/0002.htm > http://schornak.de/aspog/0003.htm > http://schornak.de/aspog/0004.htm > [Hammond] NOTE: "shornak" in the above URLs is an unemployed German truck driver from Danzig who never attended college and can't even read physics. ==================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com ==================================== Join COSA church (Church of the Scientific Advent) Send a blank email to COSAchurch(a)hotmail.com and your email address will be added to the COSA discussion list (free, no obligation) ==================================== and please ask your news service to add: alt.sci.relativistic-proof-of-god.moderated ===================================
From: George Hammond on 24 Mar 2005 18:50
"Guy Svenhardt" <anonymous(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4tu0e.14991$C47.11797(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > "Brandon Loudermilk" <toe11(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:rOr0e.51612$c72.37089(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... > > Guy, you have offered considerable insight into the various > > falsifications/psychotic "thinking" paraded in "Hammond's" "Spog". > You're > > time has not been wasted nor has your message fallen upon deaf ears. > > However, you must understand the entity referred to itself as > "[Hammond]". > > This poor creature only believes that your "CV" can give you the power > of > > "intelligent independant thought (or opinions)". > > > > You see, as a child (and, no, I do not intend to imply that > "[Hammond]" is > > anything above a child) "[Hammond]" was taught that papers impart > > intelligence. Something that ingrained is almost impossible to change > > without "neuro-surgery", "anti-psychotics", and/or "intensive > therapy". > > > > I find value in your assessment. And, speaking for other sentient > beings on > > this forum, I applaud you. > > > > B > > > > I hope that he receives the therapy that he so desperately needs. > > [Hammond] CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD: CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD: CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD: CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD: ========Hammond's CV============== B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute Worcester MA, USA (Deans List) M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University, Boston MA, USA Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68 Northeastern Univ. Boston MA Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt at N.U. who is now a Distinguished Professor at TAMU Peer reviewed publications: Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167 Pergamon Press. Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press) ==================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com ==================================== Join COSA church (Church of the Scientific Advent) Send a blank email to COSAchurch(a)hotmail.com and your email address will be added to the COSA discussion list (free, no obligation) ==================================== and please ask your news service to add: alt.sci.relativistic-proof-of-god.moderated =================================== |
