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"George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "Tom Capizzi" <etianshrdlu(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> > [Hammond]
>> > CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD:
>> > CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD:
>> > CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD:
>> > CITE YOUR CV OR GET OFF THIS THREAD:
>> >
>>
>> You jackass! You have no authority to demand anything of..
>
> [hAMMOND]
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
> CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD
>

You are a petty tyrant with delusions of grandeur. You are not
entitled to demand anything of anybody. Your CV are worthless
and mine are none of your business. Your spam is boring and your
tantrums are tiresome. Keep making demands and maybe you'll
finally get banned from this ng. Anyone care to second the motion?

>
>
>> > ========Hammond's CV==============
>> >
>> > B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
>> > Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
>> > M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
>> > Boston MA, USA
>> > Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
>> > Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
>> > Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt at
>> > N.U. who is now a Distinguished Professor at TAMU
>> >
>> > Peer reviewed publications:
>> >
>> > Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
>> > New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
>> > Pergamon Press.
>> > Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
>> > Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)
>> >
>> > ====================================
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Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP, LP, BLT, ETC. wrote:
> "George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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>>[Hammond]
>>there are cameras that can take a million frames per second
>>(i.e. can photograph a bullet in flight)... so what... what does
>>that have to do with PEOPLE.... bear in mind "God" is a
>>phenomena which only effects LIVING ORGANISMS...
>>such as you and me.... not t.v. cameras.
>
>
> Therefore, "God" cannot make it rain.

Or raise the dead.

From: George Hammond on

"George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "Etienne Rouette" <etienne.rouette(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in
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> > "George Hammond" <nowhere1(a)nospam.net> a ýcrit dans le message de news:
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> > > [Hammond]
> > > Schornak is an uneducated German truck driver from Danzig
> > > who never attended college and can't even read physics.
> > > On the other hand.... his expenditure of so much energy
> > > certainly shows he takes the discovery of a scientific proof
> > > of God SERIOUSLY.... which is more than you halfwits
> > > are able to do. And don't think the public doesn't realize
> > > it.
> >
> > For the record: are _we_ the public? Just thought I'd ask.
> >
> > Etienne Rouette
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Interesting to see a broad who is brave enough to post to
> Usenet under her own name... congratulations... I haven't
> seen a brave woman since Frida Mahlo died.

[Hammond]
PS.... I had the startling thought after I posted that message,
that in fact "Etienne" was not a female name but a male name!
Of course I can't speak a word of French and have never been
outside the U.S. A Google search of the name soon turned up
my mistake. This is not the first time this has happened. A
famous Welsh psychologist named "Leslie Francis" once wrote
to me and I addressed my reply to "Ms. Leslie Francis". He
promptly wrote me a terse reply correcting my error and informing
me that in Europe "Leslie" is a common male name... in fact many
military Generals are named Leslie!
Anyway... I'm sure you will forgive me for my ignorance and
recognize that religious (and even scientific) miracles are apt
to come from people of very humble social backgrounds.
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> > [Hammond]
> > CITE YOUR CV JACKASS OR GET OFF THIS THREAD


> > > > My CV is as follows:
> > > > ========Hammond's CV==============
> > > >
> > > > B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
> > > > Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
> > > > M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
> > > > Boston MA, USA
> > > > Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
> > > > Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
> > > > Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt at
> > > > N.U. who is now a Distinguished Professor at TAMU
> > > >
> > > > Peer reviewed publications:
> > > >
> > > > Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
> > > > New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
> > > > Pergamon Press.
> > > > Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
> > > > Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)
> > > >
> > > > ====================================
> > > > SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
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From: apieceofstring on
George Hammond wrote:
> <apieceofstring(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > George Hammond wrote:
> > > <apieceofstring(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1111634444.977858.205300(a)o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > > George Hammond wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > > Seriously though.
> > > > > > One person may percieve 12 frames per second.... another
may
> > > > percieve
> > > > > > 30... but by all accounts reality actually progresses at
> > millions
> > > > of
> > > > > > frames per second -- if it's discreet at all, which is an
open
> > > > > > question.
> > > > > > So by that logic, reality isn't 15% invisible, it's 99.9%
> > > > invisible!
> > > > >
> > > > > [Hammond]
> > > > > Wrong logic. It's like having a lo-pass filter
> > > > > over your entire sensory system. You can't notice
> > > > > that small twich, that small glint in the eye before
> > > > > the gunslinger slaps leather... and you wind up in
> > > > > boot hill with a lot of other suckers who thought
> > > > > they were "fast".
> > >
> > >
> > > > </snip>
> > > >
> > > > So where is God in that analogy? Is he the gunsmith? Boot hill?
The
> > > > small twitch?
> > >
> > > [Hammond]
> > > God is higher speed.
> >
> > That seems like a very abstract way to define God.
> > What is divine about higher speed?
> > Why not just say "higher speed is faster"?
>
> [Hammond]
> You got a lot to learn dude.
> Religion says there exists an "invisible world"..
> they are correct... and science has now explained
> what it is and why it is invisible.


I don't get it.

Say I watch a ball roll downhill at 10 frames per second... and my
friend watches it at 20 frames per second. If there was an "invisible
world" for me, it doesn't seem like a very exciting invisible world; in
the in-between times, the ball was just at in-between places -- as my
friend can verify. I can even predict the position accurately with some
simple math. What's special about the invisible part?

Even if I can't predict it with simple math ...
like, say if I watch something complex at 10 fps, like a person
juggling... I'm sure I won't catch all of the motion. But if I
understand you right, you're saying that even the part I don't percieve
is still regular physics, right? Hands moving, batons accelerating due
to gravity, etc.

But I thought the invisible world of religion was supposed to have
supernatural stuff in it. I could be wrong though. I'm just going on
what I've been told.

> People who are more
> fully grown can of course see more of it (see more
> of reality) while as much as 10 to 20% of reality is
> actually INVISIBLE to you and the average man.
> Bear in mind you DON'T KNOW THIS... have no
> IDEA such a thing exists...

Well... except, it seems like it would be rude of me to have no idea it
such a thing exists, when you just finished telling me about it.

Honestly I'm doing my best to follow you. I'm just confused about how
the invisible world is different than the visible world.

> but the Church does, and
> has known it for millenia... and now science has proved
> it.
> the fact that 15-20% of the average man's "mental
> speed" is missing... means that what he is looking at
> is NOT "true reality"... and believe it or not this is
> the cause of ALL of the world's problems... depression,
> death, failure, crime, war, poverty... you name it...
> The phenomena is so huge, so universal and so
> important.... it is called "God".

Wait. I don't understand. How is it the cause of all the worlds
problems?
Are you saying people screw up 'cause they can't react fast enough to
reality since they don't see it all?

If so, are you also saying that people would be able to live in peace
and harmony if they could just think a little faster?

I agree, thinking faster would be a good start. But it also seems to me
like surely limited perspective is at least as much a part of the
problem. Not to mention hormones. I mean, I can't count the times I've
said something stupid and caused distress just because some critical
information wasn't available to me, and it's not clear to me that
simply thinking faster would have helped any.

I mean, if I'm understanding you right... no matter how fast I think,
I'll never be able to see what's on the other side of a wall, and that
sort of thing, right?

> Of course.... most people have no des[erate need to
> know about this and generally never even bother to
> find out about it.... despite the fact there is a Church on
> every street corner trying to tell them about it.

I dunno. Maybe you're right and the world will understand someday...
but at least in the past, what Churches have tried to tell me doesn't
sound very much like what you're talking about.

Maybe some of the clergy understand better than others.

> However.... there ARE millions of people in the world,
> including those in high places... who DO have a need
> to know about it.
>
>
>
> > I mean, a TV plays at 30 frames a second (in north america anyway)
or
> > 60 fields per second, which is way faster than human perception.
> > So a TV is an example of higher speed -- but a TV is clearly not an
> > example of God (well... maybe for some, but that's a separate
problem
> > ;) ).
>
> [Hammond]
> there are cameras that can take a million frames per second
> (i.e. can photograph a bullet in flight)... so what... what does
> that have to do with PEOPLE.... bear in mind "God" is a
> phenomena which only effects LIVING ORGANISMS...
> such as you and me.... not t.v. cameras.

I didn't know that at all. Thanks for informing me.

But I'm confused again. Lots of religious people talk about "God" doing
things to the world, like parting the seas or flooding the world (come
to think of it, God is fond of water).

Are you saying those were those just effects on people's perceptions?

>
>
> >
> > So... I don't think I'm catching your meaning there. I assume "god
is
> > higher speed" was intended as an allegory for some deeper
observation,
> > but it's lost on me. Can you put it in simple terms please?
> >
>
> [Hammond]
> I have tried to put it in simple terms above. If you are not
> up to your "full grown speed".... a significant portion
> of the world is INVISIBLE to you, which means you are
> not seeing "true reality".... and that is what the subject of
> "God" is all about.... the fact that no one can see "true reality".
>

Ok. I think I get that part.
I'm still confused about why "true reality" is important.
Is there anything going on in the unpercieved moments of "true reality"
that can't just be extrapolated from the moments we do percieve?

>
> > <snipping ahead... >
> > > That's why people go to church. Learning what God is,
> > > and the fact that it will "quicken your flesh", is what
> > > Religion is all about... in case no one ever told you.
> >
> > Actually this is all news to me... and I'm still not sure if I
> > understand.
> > Are you saying people go to church in order to think faster?
>
> [Hammond]
> they go to find out that there is an "invisible world" and what
> kind of an impact that has on human behavior, history and
> society... and how to deal with it.
>

Yeah but when the people at church talk about the invisible world they
make it sound a lot different. Like it has spirits and ghosts and all
kinds of odd things you don't normally see in everyday life -- whereas
you make it sound like the "invisible world" is just the same as
everyday life, except that we don't see it.

>
> > Or so they can learn that people who think faster than them are
closer
> > to god than they are?
> > Or so they can learn that they are closer to god than people who
think
> > slower than them?
> > Or something else entirely?
> >
> > And are you sure this is true? I'm an atheist but I've had a lot of
> > conversations with religious people -- many of whom have tried to
> > convert me -- and none of them said anything about brain speed in
their
> > pitch. Why not?
>
> [Hammond]
> they don't know about it..... the discovery of a provable and
> measureable "scientific proof of God" is NEW... I only
> published it in 2003..... they haven't even heard about it yet.
> Consider yourself in on the ground floor.... you're probably
> 5-10 years ahead of the rest of the world.
>

Haha thanks! So 5-10 you say?
Really think it'll catch on in 5-10?
Not worried about being suppressed?
Is there also the possibility that the world in general just won't get
it? I know I'm still confused.

>
> >
> > <snipping ahead...>
> >
> > > [Hammond]
> > > No my website (wch. includes my PEER-PUBLISHED papers)
> > > is the alleged proof of God. Why don't you read it?
> >
> > So far you haven't convinced me that it's worth my time.
>
> [Hammond]
> Hey... I could care less. Of what help could you possible
> be to me?
>

Probably not much. I just make video games.

>
> > But if you can give me a compelling synopsis of your theory, then
I'll
> > visit your site.
>
> [Hammond]
> Naw..... you're not worth it... I don't give "private tutorials"
> to mere "curiosity seekers".... for chrissakes my time is
> worth a thousand dollars an hour!

Oh ok. Sorry, didn't mean to offend; I didn't know you were so busy.
I'll read your site then.

Anyway that sure is a lot of money! Do you really get paid that much?
Or are you just saying your time will be worth that much, when people
understand the value of the work you're doing?

> So, take it or leave it.... and p.s. don't chew up valuable
bandwidth
> posting a reply saying "I'll leave it".... we've got enough
> amateurs chewing up bandwidth as it is.

Hey, sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. Like I said; I just didn't know
your time was so valuable.
I'll read your site, and try to figure this stuff out.

Still, any help you can give me is welcome.

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