Give me back my function keys!!!
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From: AES on 23 Feb 2010 18:20 In article <4b8434e7$0$6685$c38e29c6(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > Ok - I'm not crazy. I just went over to the Apple store. I see what > you guys hae been talking about, but my Mac doesn't have it. I asked > one of the guys there (who knew about Macs, PCs, Linux, etc). He said > it's because I'm not using an Apple keyboard, so OS/X doesn't display > that option. I'll have to check the Kinesis site > (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/freestyle_mac.htm) and see if they have > some info/driver that will fix it. Interesting and bizarre. I'm using an elderly macally (and therefore clearly non-Apple) USB external keyboard, and I *do* see that option (but, I just realized, I'm using this non-Apple keyboard with a MacBook, so I *also* have an Apple keyboard!). I wonder what checking the option does to the two keyboards . . . ??? but I'm too lazy to do any tests.
From: David Rogoff on 23 Feb 2010 21:57 On 2010-02-23 12:04:55 -0800, David Rogoff said: > On 2010-02-23 10:40:17 -0800, David Rogoff said: > >> On 2010-02-23 10:28:17 -0800, Jolly Roger said: >> >>> In article <4b841bd0$0$19704$c36e2926(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2010-02-23 00:29:01 -0800, Barry Margolin said: >>>> >>>>> In article <4b838ef2$0$1304$c30e2946(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>> David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please - how can I tell Snow Leopard to not intercept any function >>>>>> keys??? >>>>> >>>>> In Keyboard preferences, check the box "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as >>>>> standard function keys". Could it be any more obvious? >>>> > > Ok - I'm not crazy. I just went over to the Apple store. I see what > you guys hae been talking about, but my Mac doesn't have it. I asked > one of the guys there (who knew about Macs, PCs, Linux, etc). He said > it's because I'm not using an Apple keyboard, so OS/X doesn't display > that option. I'll have to check the Kinesis site > (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/freestyle_mac.htm) and see if they have > some info/driver that will fix it. Success! Turns out all I had to do was hit the Fn key. This locks the keyboard into embeded layer mode and the F1-F12 actually send F1-F12. It's confusing because the Fn on the Kinesis is a locking key (like caps-lock, num-lock), while I thought it was like the shift or control key. Isn't that how Fn works on the recent Apple keyboards? Anyway, not only can emacs see F1-F12, it can also recognize control-Fx <C-fx>, Option-Fx <M-fx>, Command-Fx <A-fx>, and almost every combination of control-shift-command-control-option-Fx!! What's strange is that the only combination it doesn't see is Shift-Fx. This shows up as if I didn't hit the Shift key, although combinations involving shift along with the other modifier keys are recognized as distict keys. I can even uniquely see all the combinations (including just shift) of the modifier keys with the delete key (which emacs and the rest of the world calls Backspace) and the other delete key (which is strangely identified as keypad-delete, not just delete). Same with the home, end, page-up/down, and cursor keys. The Eject and Off/Sleep keys don't send any key codes to the app, alone or with modifiers. Anyway, I'm happy now and can start turning back on some of the Fx key functionailty for Finder and Apps use and defining a gazillion function keys again :) David
From: Jolly Roger on 24 Feb 2010 13:20 In article <4b849582$0$19575$c36e2926(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > Success! Turns out all I had to do was hit the Fn key. That's what I already explained to you, BTW. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: David Rogoff on 24 Feb 2010 13:50 On 2010-02-24 10:20:48 -0800, Jolly Roger said: > In article <4b849582$0$19575$c36e2926(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > >> Success! Turns out all I had to do was hit the Fn key. > > That's what I already explained to you, BTW. Actually, not quite. You thought the same thing I did. Here's what you wrote: > When this box is checked, the function keys behave like standard > function keys, unless you hold the Fn key down while pressing them, > which makes them behave like media keys (volume, Expose, eject, and so > on). The operative phrase is "hold the Fn key down while pressing them". This is how I expected Fn to work also - and how I think it works on Apple keyboards. On the Kinesis, it's a mode toggle, like caps-lock. You don't hold it while hitting any other key.
From: nospam on 24 Feb 2010 13:53
In article <4b8574ed$0$6467$c10e2b46(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, David Rogoff <david(a)therogoffs.com> wrote: > The operative phrase is "hold the Fn key down while pressing them". > This is how I expected Fn to work also - and how I think it works on > Apple keyboards. On the Kinesis, it's a mode toggle, like caps-lock. > You don't hold it while hitting any other key. then it should say fn-lock. the shift, control, command and option (alt) keys don't toggle like caps lock, so why would fn be different? |