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From: Bill Sloman on 7 Jan 2010 18:25 On Jan 7, 11:28 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:52:31 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman > > > > > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >On Jan 7, 5:53 pm, John Larkin > ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:12:35 -0500, Bitrex > > >> <bit...(a)de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> >> No damn way! > > >> >> It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are > >> >> forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold > >> >> spells on record with another cold front headed this way. > > >> >I made 3 three-point shots while playing basketball today out of the 4 I > >> >attempted. With a three point shot percentage of 75% I am therefore the > >> >greatest basketball player who ever lived. > > >> >One should use care in making global conclusions using only local data > >> >points. > > >> Well, the alarmists weren't shy about blaming every storm, beach > >> erosion, hot spell, change in butterfly population, or the weigh of a > >> herd of sheep on Global Warming. > > >That wasn't the serious proponenets of anthropogenic global warming, > >but merely idle journalists, looking for a hook on which to hang their > >latest weather story. Only the the feather-brained would take them > >seriously. > > You mean peer-reviewed journals? No. Journalists write newspaper articles, articles in peer-reviewd journals are witten by scientists. If you want your opinions about anthropogenic global warming to be taken seriously, this is one of the bits of information that you will need to master. There are others. > Cold kills: > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6979830.ece > > I've seen serious estimates that suggest that in the US and Europe, > cool snaps kill about four times as many people as heat waves. But you can't actually cite any such estimate. > Plants like warmth and CO2, too. Up to a point. Few plants have to good fortune to be exposed to enough of every other nutient to allow them to take advantage of higher CO2 levels - the geological record tells us that plants mainly take advantage of higher CO2 levels by reducing the number of stoma on the underside of their leaves so that they can collect the same amount of CO2 while losing less water. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: dagmargoodboat on 7 Jan 2010 18:25 On Jan 7, 11:53 am, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:12:35 -0500, Bitrex > > > > <bit...(a)de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote: > >Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> No damn way! > > >> It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are > >> forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold > >> spells on record with another cold front headed this way. > > >I made 3 three-point shots while playing basketball today out of the 4 I > >attempted. With a three point shot percentage of 75% I am therefore the > >greatest basketball player who ever lived. > > >One should use care in making global conclusions using only local data > >points. > > Well, the alarmists weren't shy about blaming every storm, beach > erosion, hot spell, change in butterfly population, or the weigh of a > herd of sheep on Global Warming. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8445613.stm > > John Not to worry, we're still doomed: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9495864 -- Cheers, James Arthur
From: Raveninghorde on 7 Jan 2010 18:55 On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:25:25 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: SNIP .. > >> Cold kills: >> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6979830.ece >> >> I've seen serious estimates that suggest that in the US and Europe, >> cool snaps kill about four times as many people as heat waves. > >But you can't actually cite any such estimate. One estimate of winter deaths here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/winter-kills-excess-deaths-in-the-winter-months/ /quote 108,500 Deaths in the US in 2008; 36,700 in England and Wales Last Winter; 5,600 in Canada (2006); 7,000 in Australia (1997-2006 Average); Thousands in Other Developed Countries /end quote SNIP
From: krw on 7 Jan 2010 19:14 On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >No damn way! > >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. It's been 16F the last two days when I went to work. My heat pumps are barely keeping up (-2F from setting). We're supposed to get freezing rain and snow tonight. It'll be fun watching the idiots driving tomorrow. Staying out of their way won't be so much, though. :-(
From: John Larkin on 7 Jan 2010 19:29
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:25:25 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: >On Jan 7, 11:28�pm, John Larkin ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:52:31 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman >> >> >> >> >> >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> >On Jan 7, 5:53 pm, John Larkin >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:12:35 -0500, Bitrex >> >> >> <bit...(a)de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >> >> No damn way! >> >> >> >> It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >> >> >> forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >> >> >> spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >> >> >> >I made 3 three-point shots while playing basketball today out of the 4 I >> >> >attempted. With a three point shot percentage of 75% I am therefore the >> >> >greatest basketball player who ever lived. >> >> >> >One should use care in making global conclusions using only local data >> >> >points. >> >> >> Well, the alarmists weren't shy about blaming every storm, beach >> >> erosion, hot spell, change in butterfly population, or the weigh of a >> >> herd of sheep on Global Warming. >> >> >That wasn't the serious proponenets of anthropogenic global warming, >> >but merely idle journalists, looking for a hook on which to hang their >> >latest weather story. Only the the feather-brained would take them >> >seriously. >> >> You mean peer-reviewed journals? > >No. Journalists write newspaper articles, articles in peer-reviewd >journals are witten by scientists. If you want your opinions about >anthropogenic global warming to be taken seriously, this is one of the >bits of information that you will need to master. There are others. If you want your opinions about electronic design to be taken seriously, you should actually do some once in a while. Master that! AGW is not the topic here. > >> Cold kills: >> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6979830.ece >> >> I've seen serious estimates that suggest that in the US and Europe, >> cool snaps kill about four times as many people as heat waves. > >But you can't actually cite any such estimate. > >> Plants like warmth and CO2, too. > >Up to a point. Few plants have to good fortune to be exposed to enough >of every other nutient to allow them to take advantage of higher CO2 >levels - the geological record tells us that plants mainly take >advantage of higher CO2 levels by reducing the number of stoma on the >underside of their leaves so that they can collect the same amount of >CO2 while losing less water. That's the way multivariate optimization works. John |