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From: John Larkin on 7 Jan 2010 19:30 On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:18 +0000, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:25:25 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman ><bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: > > >SNIP > >. >> >>> Cold kills: >>> >>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6979830.ece >>> >>> I've seen serious estimates that suggest that in the US and Europe, >>> cool snaps kill about four times as many people as heat waves. >> >>But you can't actually cite any such estimate. > >One estimate of winter deaths here: > >http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/winter-kills-excess-deaths-in-the-winter-months/ > >/quote > >108,500 Deaths in the US in 2008; 36,700 in England and Wales Last >Winter; 5,600 in Canada (2006); 7,000 in Australia (1997-2006 >Average); Thousands in Other Developed Countries > >/end quote > >SNIP Sloman apparently doesn't know how to google. John
From: John Larkin on 7 Jan 2010 19:32 On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:25:39 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >On Jan 7, 11:53�am, John Larkin ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:12:35 -0500, Bitrex >> >> >> >> <bit...(a)de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote: >> >Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >> No damn way! >> >> >> It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >> >> forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >> >> spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >> >> >I made 3 three-point shots while playing basketball today out of the 4 I >> >attempted. �With a three point shot percentage of 75% I am therefore the >> >greatest basketball player who ever lived. >> >> >One should use care in making global conclusions using only local data >> >points. >> >> Well, the alarmists weren't shy about blaming every storm, beach >> erosion, hot spell, change in butterfly population, or the weigh of a >> herd of sheep on Global Warming. >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8445613.stm >> >> John > >Not to worry, we're still doomed: > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9495864 Another Ice Age would be "just a blip in the long-term heating trend." Just keep extending the definition of "weather" and "climate" as suits your political needs. John
From: mpm on 7 Jan 2010 20:01 On Jan 7, 2:55 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > mpm wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 5:58 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> > > wrote: > > > No damn way! > > > > It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are > > > forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold > > > spells on record with another cold front headed this way. > > > > -- > > > Greed is the root of all eBay. > > > Yikes!!! - Not much better here though. > > Our high today is only 61 (42 out now). > > > Just ignore all those other guys. > > Afterall, they're not used to tee-shirts, cut-offs and flip-flops in > > the middle of a Florida "winter"! > > > Were you in Florida for the 1989 ice storm. > > The one, right before that huge sale of hail damaged cars? ;-) > > > What a mess!! At least it's 21 and no ice in Ocala. > > > I heard on the news we have at least another week of this unusual > > weather.... > > Yeah, and now I have to dig a 45 foot trench for a new water line, > thanks to 'Global Warming'. > > -- > Greed is the root of all eBay.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - A frined of mine is a research scientist on the ESA's SMOS mission. Link: http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMDGULX82G_index_0.html It's a pretty cool instrument; an L-band interferrometer with 69 polarizations (66 discrete antennas). 2.4 GHz. It launched in November and can measure global soil moisture and sea surface temps & salinity. - The first instrument to do so on a global scale. Last I heard, there was some glitch in the A-Arm local oscillator, so I haven't seen any recent data. This is a very complex instrument - I hope they get it working. Then we might confirm for sure (or not) that GW/AGW is something to worry about.
From: mpm on 8 Jan 2010 05:54 On Jan 7, 8:01 pm, mpm <mpmill...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Jan 7, 2:55 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > mpm wrote: > > > > On Jan 7, 5:58 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> > > > wrote: > > > > No damn way! > > > > > It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are > > > > forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold > > > > spells on record with another cold front headed this way. > > > > > -- > > > > Greed is the root of all eBay. > > > > Yikes!!! - Not much better here though. > > > Our high today is only 61 (42 out now). > > > > Just ignore all those other guys. > > > Afterall, they're not used to tee-shirts, cut-offs and flip-flops in > > > the middle of a Florida "winter"! > > > > Were you in Florida for the 1989 ice storm. > > > The one, right before that huge sale of hail damaged cars? ;-) > > > > What a mess!! At least it's 21 and no ice in Ocala. > > > > I heard on the news we have at least another week of this unusual > > > weather.... > > > Yeah, and now I have to dig a 45 foot trench for a new water line, > > thanks to 'Global Warming'. > > > -- > > Greed is the root of all eBay.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > A frined of mine is a research scientist on the ESA's SMOS mission. > Link: http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMDGULX82G_index_0.html > > It's a pretty cool instrument; an L-band interferrometer with 69 > polarizations (66 discrete antennas). 2.4 GHz. > It launched in November and can measure global soil moisture and sea > surface temps & salinity. - The first instrument to do so on a global > scale. > > Last I heard, there was some glitch in the A-Arm local oscillator, so > I haven't seen any recent data. > This is a very complex instrument - I hope they get it working. > Then we might confirm for sure (or not) that GW/AGW is something to > worry about.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Oops. Clearly I meant 1.4 GHz. (Hydrogen line). Reconstruction at 2.4 would be problematic given PCS phones.
From: Bill Sloman on 8 Jan 2010 06:46
On Jan 8, 12:55 am, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:25:25 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > > SNIP > > . > > > > >> Cold kills: > > >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6979830.ece > > >> I've seen serious estimates that suggest that in the US and Europe, > >> cool snaps kill about four times as many people as heat waves. > > >But you can't actually cite any such estimate. > > One estimate of winter deaths here: > > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/winter-kills-excess-deaths-in-t... > > /quote > > 108,500 Deaths in the US in 2008; 36,700 in England and Wales Last > Winter; 5,600 in Canada (2006); 7,000 in Australia (1997-2006 > Average); Thousands in Other Developed Countries > > /end quote As you'd expect from a denialist web-site, they don't mention that hot summers also generate excess deaths, and haven't cited any numbers from tropical countries where excess deaths peak in summer, rather than winter - human beings did evolve in tropical Africa, and rarely run into excessive heat in temperate countries, though it does happen from time to time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |