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From: David Kennedy on 2 Jun 2010 13:17 Dorian Gray wrote: > In article<hu5lq5$lus$1(a)qmul>, > "whisky-dave"<whisky-dave(a)final.front.ear> wrote: > >> Not sure why your library is so large, maybe final cut pro dumped >> some stuff there. >> I thought a fresh system 10.5 only requred a min of 2GB or so. > > Ah, thanks, I didn't know what was normal. So looking deeper into it: > > /Library/Application Support/ : 4.76 GB > /Library/Audio/Apple Loops/Apple Loops for GarageBand/ : 1.09 GB > /Library/Audio/Apple Loops/iLife Sound Effects/ : 1.39 GB > /Library/Printers/ : 1.57 GB > > Large folders within Application Support: > /Library/Application Support/Adobe/ : 643 MB > /Library/Application Support/iDVD/Themes/ : 1.69 GB > /Library/Application Support/Garageband/ : 1.92 GB > > Large folders within Adobe: > /Library/Application Support/Adobe/AdobeHelpData/ : 110 MB > /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts/ : 127 MB > /Library/Application Support/Adobe/PDFL/ : 78 MB > /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Templates/ : 175 MB > > Can I safely get rid of any of those? > I am thinking iDVD Themes are useless since this iBook only has a Combo > (not Super) drive. > I am thinking iLife Sound Effects are pointless? Do you use GarageBand? -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com
From: Dorian Gray on 2 Jun 2010 13:36 In article <8q-dnRBJneu2D5vRnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk>, David Kennedy <davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote: > Dorian Gray wrote: > > > /Library/Audio/Apple Loops/Apple Loops for GarageBand/ : 1.09 GB > > /Library/Application Support/Garageband/ : 1.92 GB > > Do you use GarageBand? I've written one song in GarageBand, so think I want to keep it, yes.
From: David Kennedy on 2 Jun 2010 13:50 Dorian Gray wrote: > In article<8q-dnRBJneu2D5vRnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk>, > David Kennedy<davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote: > >> Dorian Gray wrote: >> >>> /Library/Audio/Apple Loops/Apple Loops for GarageBand/ : 1.09 GB >>> /Library/Application Support/Garageband/ : 1.92 GB >> >> Do you use GarageBand? > > I've written one song in GarageBand, so think I want to keep it, yes. Then, as you say, iDvd is the one to go. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com
From: Dorian Gray on 2 Jun 2010 18:04 In article <1jjgvxm.b5o599f5ovvuN(a)de-ster.xs4all.nl>, nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote: > Dorian Gray <D.Gray(a)picture.invalid> wrote: > > > In article <1jjgrlv.obod52un6q9tN(a)de-ster.xs4all.nl>, > > nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote: > > > > > Just do it, and see, > > > > If the machine would becomes unusable given the amount of stuff I will > > want/need to put back on after installation, then I will want to leave > > it using Tiger. > > As long as there is one or two gig free it will be usable. In my experience, that is not the case, less than 5 or 6 GB it starts churning endlessly and grinds to a halt, because virtual memory cannot fit in the free space on the startup volume! > > Hence I need to know beforehand, unless there is an > > easy way to revert back to Tiger and regain the space that I would have > > lost. > > Clone your disk before you begin, That is good advice - thanks.
From: Dorian Gray on 2 Jun 2010 18:05
Each of the three Davids sent replies (thanks) and I have summarized them below, with my additions/responses/comparisons shown [thus]: In article <KsidnaDws-66q5vRnZ2dnUVZ8kCdnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk>, David Kennedy <davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote: > When I did my powerbook, IIRC, then [the installer prog. when > doing the install] said it needed around 4Gb > although in practise it turned out to be less than that... > just under 2Gb In article <David.Sankey-063D5A.12005602062010(a)news.eternal-september.org>, David Sankey <David.Sankey(a)stfc.ac.uk> wrote: > The internal on my Powerbook G4 is Leopard, with 8.3 GB free, the > external with Tiger has 17.6 GB free, both 80 GB disks. > > Stuff installed on them is very similar (I don't remember, but it looks > like I did an import from the latter to the former). > [So by the numbers above, the difference in system size is 9.3 GB.] > > I recall disk usage on my desktop G5 going up when I upgraded that from > Tiger to Leopard, so that was enough to notice, say a few (5 to 10) GB. > [Consistent with the above numbers, but much more than the 2 GB reported by David Kennedy.] > > So I would say that it looks like it'll be very tight. In article <1jjhkjm.1gxg7j6603718N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>, dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > You really don't want to be that close to the wire. > > I don't have an exact figure, but Leopard is a fair amount larger than > Tiger, e.g. all of the executable files in Leopard are "universal", > including both Intel and PowerPC code, whereas all the files they would > be replacing in your Tiger system only contain PowerPC code. Granted, we would expect 10.5 to be bigger than either 10.4 or 10.6 because Leopard is a Universal binary, whereas Tiger is PPC binary and Snow Leopard is Intel binary. I expected that from the outset. > Leopard needs more memory than Tiger, so if you aren't increasing your > installed RAM at the same time, you should expect a greater degree of > virtual memory activity, and that means more disk space will be needed > by swap files. My iBook G4 is 1.42 GHz and has 1 GB - should I upgrade it to the maximum 1.5 GB? Crucial are selling the 1 GB that would be required for �41.11 inc. VAT. > > Here are some Tiger folder sizes which are perhaps relevant: > > > > /System : 2.2 GB > > Applications/utilities that came with Tiger : 4.07 GB > > /Developer : 1.53 GB > > /Library : 10.03 GB > > From my Mac Mini running Leopard: > > /System: 4.5 GB > /Applications: 4.6 GB (including a few added ones but nothing especially > big) > /Developer: 3.1 GB > /Library: 9.1 GB So that gives a difference of 2.3 GB for the OS (consistent with what David Kennedy recalls), negligible difference for apps, and 1.6 GB for the developer tools. > > I guess /Library is not that relevant. > > It is relevant, though you could save a fair amount there by NOT > installing all the printer drivers. 1.57 GB it turns out. > I'd expect you to end up losing something in the order of 4 GB of disk > space after installing Leopard and more recent developer tools. > > I'd be getting worried if I only had about 5 GB free space on my startup > volume. Fair enough. But if I delete the iDVD themes, the iLife sound effects, and the printer drivers, it gives me another 4.65 GB, so back to 9.75 GB free, more than when I started. Thanks all! (still I have one question about memory upgrade above) |