How to Answer the Census.
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From: Dan on 21 Mar 2010 21:53 knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com wrote: > Here is what I did. > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/03/11/will-fifth-amendment-work-with-us-census-2010-privacy-questions-probably-not-census-getting-too-close-personal-video/ > > I typed at the top: > > "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this abode when > you give me the answers to these questions." > > 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it does > not authorize the taking of private information or even the names of > individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority to > demand our private information? Article 1, Section 2: "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, >>>in such Manner as they [Congress, specifically, the House of Representatives] shall by Law direct.<<<" > 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private information > that the Census bureau may demand and collect? Not really. > 3. Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau collect > information now from 250,000 people per month of every year? Huh? > 4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government search > and seizure of private information without a court warrant based on > probable cause, Current Census policies violate that Amendment do they > not? There is no such provision in Amendment 4. Read it. > 5. By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau threaten > penalties for failure to provide personal information? See above. Don't like it, vote in some different people (as the actual Constitution DOES provide for). > 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal > information, Are there any circumstances under which law enforcement > or spy agencies can access Census information? That is a good question! > 7. Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law enforcement, > may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the fifth > Amendment? Sure. > 8. Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates for > every home? See answer to #1, above. > 9. Virtually every government database has been either lost, hacked or > compromised, would the Census Bureau�s claim of data security not be > an outright lie or at best highly improbable? Probably. > 10. How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate those > individuals whose data becomes compromised? Such provisions are either contained in the law (a public document) or to be determined in a court of law (civil proceedings). > Then put the blank form and the other two pieces in the mail. > Cya... I provided you with answers. What you DO is your responsibility... Dan
From: Remy McSwain on 22 Mar 2010 07:41 In news:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here is what I did. > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." You do know, right, that the same Constitution which includes the 5th Amaendment which you wrongly think includes a right to privacy actually and explicitly mandates the Cencus? You knew that, right?
From: Remy McSwain on 22 Mar 2010 07:48 In news:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here is what I did. > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/03/11/will-fifth-amendment-work-with-us-census-2010-privacy-questions-probably-not-census-getting-too-close-personal-video/ > > I typed at the top: > > "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this > abode when > you give me the answers to these questions." > > 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it > does > not authorize the taking of private information or even the > names of > individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority > to > demand our private information? It says " in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law direct." > 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private > information > that the Census bureau may demand and collect? Yes. > 3. Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau > collect > information now from 250,000 people per month of every year? Article 1, Section 2 > 4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government > search > and seizure of private information without a court warrant based > on > probable cause, Current Census policies violate that Amendment > do they > not? No. > 5. By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau > threaten > penalties for failure to provide personal information? Article 1, Section 2, > 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal > information, Are there any circumstances under which law > enforcement > or spy agencies can access Census information? Yes > 7. Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law > enforcement, > may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the fifth > Amendment? No. > 8. Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates > for > every home? They want it. > 9. Virtually every government database has been either lost, > hacked or > compromised, would the Census Bureau�s claim of data security > not be > an outright lie or at best highly improbable? No. > 10. How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate > those > individuals whose data becomes compromised? Who says they would? > Then put the blank form and the other two pieces in the mail. > Cya............ Yes, you do that!
From: Remy McSwain on 22 Mar 2010 07:50 In news:70fb4cd1-3814-4b0f-929a-d2b20c201e05(a)f14g2000pre.googlegroups.com, knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 20, 9:32 am, pv+use...(a)pobox.com (PV) wrote: >> knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com writes: >>> Here is what I did. >>> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. >>> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." >> >> So add constitutional law to the list of things you know >> nothing about then. You really are well-rounded idiot. * >> -- >> * PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and >> something like corkscrews. > > Sue me over a typo. > The 4th Amendment guarantees the right to privacy in your person > and papers. Where does the word "privacy" appear in the Constitution? > The 5th is the right against self incrimination. > Either will work on the Census. Nope.
From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 10:50
On Mar 21, 6:53 pm, Dan <dnada...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > Here is what I did. > > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > > 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > > Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > >http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo... > > > I typed at the top: > > > "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this abode when > > you give me the answers to these questions." > > > 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it does > > not authorize the taking of private information or even the names of > > individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority to > > demand our private information? > > Article 1, Section 2: "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three > Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and > within every subsequent Term of ten Years, >>>in such Manner as they > [Congress, specifically, the House of Representatives] shall by Law > direct.<<<" > > > 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private information > > that the Census bureau may demand and collect? > > Not really. Yes really. The People must limit government not the other way around. The Article says "Enumeration." I doesn't say anything else. "In such manner" does not mean "other" information. > > > 3. Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau collect > > information now from 250,000 people per month of every year? > > Huh? The Census is doing yearly surveys. http://www.google.com/search?q=yearly+census+information&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a > > > 4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government search > > and seizure of private information without a court warrant based on > > probable cause, Current Census policies violate that Amendment do they > > not? > > There is no such provision in Amendment 4. Read it. > Yes, let's. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. But you still don't see it? > > 5. By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau threaten > > penalties for failure to provide personal information? > > See above. Don't like it, vote in some different people (as the actual > Constitution DOES provide for). > No. Just refuse to answer. Let them try and fine 50 million people. Any law in contravention to the Constitution is null and void on it's face. > > 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal > > information, Are there any circumstances under which law enforcement > > or spy agencies can access Census information? > > That is a good question! Protect your own information. The government is a miserable failure at doing so. > > > 7. Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law enforcement, > > may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the fifth > > Amendment? > > Sure. > > > 8. Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates for > > every home? > > See answer to #1, above. Since #1 says "Enumeration" exact location is off limits. > > > 9. Virtually every government database has been either lost, hacked or > > compromised, would the Census Bureaus claim of data security not be > > an outright lie or at best highly improbable? > > Probably. > > > 10. How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate those > > individuals whose data becomes compromised? > > Such provisions are either contained in the law (a public document) or > to be determined in a court of law (civil proceedings). So People have to jump through hoops after the government screws up with information they had no right to in the first place. Is that your contention? > > > Then put the blank form and the other two pieces in the mail. > > Cya... > > I provided you with answers. What you DO is your responsibility... > > Dan I did what the actual Law requires. I told them the enumeration of the souls at the location. |