How to Answer the Census.
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From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 10:56 On Mar 22, 4:41 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, > > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Here is what I did. > > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > > You do know, right, that the same Constitution which includes the > 5th Amaendment which you wrongly think includes a right to privacy > actually and explicitly mandates the Cencus? > > You knew that, right? What I know is.... Besides I already fixed my typo to say the 4th Amendment.... And you jump on my typo with not one but two misspelled words..... The Census is a process of "enumerating" the population. The Law says enumerate not interrogate.
From: Remy McSwain on 22 Mar 2010 13:46 In news:8362fd76-a12e-407b-aa57-9f1ea5fa101f(a)u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com, knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 4:41 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, >> >> knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Here is what I did. >>> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. >>> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." >> >> You do know, right, that the same Constitution which includes >> the 5th Amaendment which you wrongly think includes a right to >> privacy actually and explicitly mandates the Cencus? >> >> You knew that, right? > > What I know is.... > Besides I already fixed my typo to say the 4th Amendment.... Doesn't matter what Amendment you reference. There is no right to privacy mentioned in the USC. > And you jump on my typo with not one but two misspelled > words..... The Census is a process of "enumerating" the > population. > The Law says enumerate not interrogate. I didn't jump on your typo because it doesn't matter which part of the BoR, or the rest of the USC you reference. There's no right to privacy anywhere in there. But there is the mandate for the Census. So why in the world would you bring the USC into it if you intend to ignore it?
From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 14:24 On Mar 22, 4:48 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, > > > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Here is what I did. > > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > > 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > > Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > >http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo... > > > I typed at the top: > > > "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this > > abode when > > you give me the answers to these questions." > > > 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it > > does > > not authorize the taking of private information or even the > > names of > > individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority > > to > > demand our private information? > > It says " in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law direct." > What part of "enumerate" don't you understand? All it has purview to do is COUNT. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,...get it? Not 1 with a 2 bedrm apt making 25k per year, 2 germans with a 1 bedrm apt. making 50k per year, 5 latinos with a 1 bdrm apt making $0 per year.....ad infinitum. > > 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private > > information > > that the Census bureau may demand and collect? > > Yes. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8..... > > > 3. Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau > > collect > > information now from 250,000 people per month of every year? > > Article 1, Section 2 > > > 4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government > > search > > and seizure of private information without a court warrant based > > on > > probable cause, Current Census policies violate that Amendment > > do they > > not? > > No. > Wrong. Threats of "fines" is extortion. > > 5. By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau > > threaten > > penalties for failure to provide personal information? > > Article 1, Section 2, Wrong again. Enumeration DO NOT include any personal information. It is "personal property" and may not be coerced or extorted without just cause. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,.... > > 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal > > information, Are there any circumstances under which law > > enforcement > > or spy agencies can access Census information? > > Yes Make them get a Warrant based on "reasonable cause" before you give it to them in the first place. They have no "right" to your "personal' property. > > > 7. Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law > > enforcement, > > may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the fifth > > Amendment? > > No. Wrong again. Yes. No one can force you to answer any questions that may incriminate you by extortion. The Constitution prohibits it. You have the right to privacy and right against self incrimination. The 4th and 5th Amendments. > > > 8. Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates > > for > > every home? > > They want it. > So they know where the rich and poor live. So they know more about you than your neighbors. So that can make "policy" based on their extortion of your information. > > 9. Virtually every government database has been either lost, > > hacked or > > compromised, would the Census Bureaus claim of data security > > not be > > an outright lie or at best highly improbable? > > No. On planet Sock Puppet maybe. > > > 10. How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate > > those > > individuals whose data becomes compromised? > > Who says they would? Why would they tell you that after they screwed up? When was the last time you saw a government agency "fix" something they screwed up? > > > Then put the blank form and the other two pieces in the mail. > > Cya............ > > Yes, you do that! I'll take a video when they come to my door and put it on youtube. Census "official": "You need to give us your information or you will be fined." Me: "You have a Warrant?" Census "official": "No, but it is the law for us to get it." Me: "Show me that place in the Constitution where is says you need to know how many bathrooms in my abode?" Census "official": "You need to give us your information or you will be fined." Me: "Do you often threaten people with fines that go by the Law of the Land? Do you know that is extortion?" Lights, cameras........
From: Remy McSwain on 22 Mar 2010 15:05 In news:874b520f-e398-4b45-8cb3-37e7b4e695aa(a)u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com, knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 4:48 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, >> >> >> knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Here is what I did. >>> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. >>> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." >>> 2 Human souls @ this abode. >> >>> Then I copied the Ten Questions here: >> >>> http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo... >> >>> I typed at the top: >> >>> "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this >>> abode when >>> you give me the answers to these questions." >> >>> 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but >>> it does >>> not authorize the taking of private information or even the >>> names of >>> individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority >>> to >>> demand our private information? >> >> It says " in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law >> direct." >> > What part of "enumerate" don't you understand? I understand the whole thing. > All it has purview to do is COUNT. Not true. Why do all of you KOOKS always think that something is as you think it should be? The Constitution, which you are so quick to quote, also says that the final arbiter of what the Constitution means is whatever the Courts rule it to be. As this concerns the cencus, the courts have ruled as follows: The census does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Morales v. Daley, 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 820 (S.D. Tex. 2000). In concluding that there was no basis for holding Census 2000 unconstitutional, the District Court in Morales ruled that the 2000 Census and the 2000 Census questions did not violate the Fourth Amendment or other constitutional provisions as alleged by plaintiffs. (The Morales court said responses to census questions are not a violation of a citizen's right to privacy or speech.) "�[I]t is clear that the degree to which these questions intrude upon an individual's privacy is limited, given the methods used to collect the census data and the statutory assurance that the answers and attribution to an individual will remain confidential. The degree to which the information is needed for the promotion of legitimate governmental interests has been found to be significant. A census of the type of Census 2000 has been taken every ten years since the first census in 1790. Such a census has been thought to be necessary for over two hundred years. There is no basis for holding that it is not necessary in the year 2000." The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit affirmed the District Court decision on October 10, 2001, 275 F.3d 45. The U.S. Supreme Court denied petition for writ of certiorari on February 19, 2002, 534 U.S. 1135. No published opinions were filed with these rulings. These decisions are consistent with the Supreme Court's recent description of the census as the "linchpin of the federal statistical system � collecting data on the characteristics of individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country." Dept. of Commerce v. U.S. House of Representatives, 525 U.S. 316, 341 (1999). > 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,...get it? Yes, except for the part where this has anything at all to do with the US Census. > Not 1 with a 2 bedrm apt making 25k per year, 2 germans with a 1 > bedrm apt. making 50k per year, 5 latinos with a 1 bdrm apt > making $0 per year.....ad infinitum. See the above. > >>> 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private >>> information >>> that the Census bureau may demand and collect? >> >> Yes. > > 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8..... > >> >>> 3. Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau >>> collect >>> information now from 250,000 people per month of every year? >> >> Article 1, Section 2 >> >>> 4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government >>> search >>> and seizure of private information without a court warrant >>> based on >>> probable cause, Current Census policies violate that Amendment >>> do they >>> not? >> >> No. >> > Wrong. > Threats of "fines" is extortion. > >>> 5. By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau >>> threaten >>> penalties for failure to provide personal information? >> >> Article 1, Section 2, > > Wrong again. > Enumeration DO NOT include any personal information. > It is "personal property" and may not be coerced or extorted > without just cause. > 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,.... > >>> 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal >>> information, Are there any circumstances under which law >>> enforcement >>> or spy agencies can access Census information? >> >> Yes > > Make them get a Warrant based on "reasonable cause" before you > give it to them in the first place. > They have no "right" to your "personal' property. > >> >>> 7. Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law >>> enforcement, >>> may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the >>> fifth Amendment? >> >> No. > > Wrong again. > Yes. > No one can force you to answer any questions that may > incriminate you by extortion. > The Constitution prohibits it. > You have the right to privacy and right against self > incrimination. The 4th and 5th Amendments. > >> >>> 8. Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates >>> for >>> every home? >> >> They want it. >> > So they know where the rich and poor live. > So they know more about you than your neighbors. > So that can make "policy" based on their extortion of your > information. > >>> 9. Virtually every government database has been either lost, >>> hacked or >>> compromised, would the Census Bureau�s claim of data security >>> not be >>> an outright lie or at best highly improbable? >> >> No. > > On planet Sock Puppet maybe. > >> >>> 10. How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate >>> those >>> individuals whose data becomes compromised? >> >> Who says they would? > > Why would they tell you that after they screwed up? > When was the last time you saw a government agency "fix" > something they screwed up? >> >>> Then put the blank form and the other two pieces in the mail. >>> Cya............ >> >> Yes, you do that! > > I'll take a video when they come to my door and put it on > youtube. > > Census "official": > "You need to give us your information or you will be fined." > > Me: > "You have a Warrant?" > > Census "official": > "No, but it is the law for us to get it." > > Me: > "Show me that place in the Constitution where is says you need > to know how many bathrooms in my abode?" > > Census "official": > "You need to give us your information or you will be fined." > > Me: > "Do you often threaten people with fines that go by the Law of > the Land? Do you know that is extortion?" > > Lights, cameras........
From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 16:25
On Mar 22, 12:05 pm, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Innews:874b520f-e398-4b45-8cb3-37e7b4e695aa(a)u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com, > > > > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Mar 22, 4:48 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, > > >> knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> Here is what I did. > >>> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > >>> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > >>> 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > >>> Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > >>>http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo.... > > >>> I typed at the top: > > >>> "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this > >>> abode when > >>> you give me the answers to these questions." > > >>> 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but > >>> it does > >>> not authorize the taking of private information or even the > >>> names of > >>> individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority > >>> to > >>> demand our private information? > > >> It says " in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law > >> direct." > > > What part of "enumerate" don't you understand? > > I understand the whole thing. > > > All it has purview to do is COUNT. > > Not true. Why do all of you KOOKS always think that something is as > you think it should be? > Funny how it's the "Kooks" that want to follow "the letter of the law." |