How to Answer the Census.
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From: P. Maffia on 22 Mar 2010 16:27 As usual Knews displays his utter ignorance of the law and Constitution. Although over the years a lot of questions have been raise about some of the data collected by the Census. And there are some good arguments against some of that. However, no Court at any level has ever declared that any of the information finally collected was, as knowsnothing contends, unconstitutional. There has never been any question raised, except by ignoramuses like Knowsnothing, or objections made to collecting the names, addresses, ages, occupations, income and ethnic make up of everyone counted. That has been done IN EVERY CENSUS since the very first, when the framers of the Constitution were all alive and could have easily made objections that expressed their intent. <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:874b520f-e398-4b45-8cb3-37e7b4e695aa(a)u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com... On Mar 22, 4:48 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, > > > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Here is what I did. > > I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > > "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > > 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > > Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > >http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo... > > > I typed at the top: > > > "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this > > abode when > > you give me the answers to these questions." > > > 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it > > does > > not authorize the taking of private information or even the > > names of > > individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority > > to > > demand our private information? > > It says " in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law direct." > What part of "enumerate" don't you understand? All it has purview to do is COUNT. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,...get it? Not 1 with a 2 bedrm apt making 25k per year, 2 germans with a 1 bedrm apt. making 50k per year, 5 latinos with a 1 bdrm apt making $0 per year.....ad infinitum. > > 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private > > information > > that the Census bureau may demand and collect? > > Yes. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8..... > > > 3. Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau > > collect > > information now from 250,000 people per month of every year? > > Article 1, Section 2 > > > 4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government > > search > > and seizure of private information without a court warrant based > > on > > probable cause, Current Census policies violate that Amendment > > do they > > not? > > No. > Wrong. Threats of "fines" is extortion. > > 5. By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau > > threaten > > penalties for failure to provide personal information? > > Article 1, Section 2, Wrong again. Enumeration DO NOT include any personal information. It is "personal property" and may not be coerced or extorted without just cause. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,.... > > 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal > > information, Are there any circumstances under which law > > enforcement > > or spy agencies can access Census information? > > Yes Make them get a Warrant based on "reasonable cause" before you give it to them in the first place. They have no "right" to your "personal' property. > > > 7. Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law > > enforcement, > > may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the fifth > > Amendment? > > No. Wrong again. Yes. No one can force you to answer any questions that may incriminate you by extortion. The Constitution prohibits it. You have the right to privacy and right against self incrimination. The 4th and 5th Amendments. > > > 8. Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates > > for > > every home? > > They want it. > So they know where the rich and poor live. So they know more about you than your neighbors. So that can make "policy" based on their extortion of your information. > > 9. Virtually every government database has been either lost, > > hacked or > > compromised, would the Census Bureau�s claim of data security > > not be > > an outright lie or at best highly improbable? > > No. On planet Sock Puppet maybe. > > > 10. How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate > > those > > individuals whose data becomes compromised? > > Who says they would? Why would they tell you that after they screwed up? When was the last time you saw a government agency "fix" something they screwed up? > > > Then put the blank form and the other two pieces in the mail. > > Cya............ > > Yes, you do that! I'll take a video when they come to my door and put it on youtube. Census "official": "You need to give us your information or you will be fined." Me: "You have a Warrant?" Census "official": "No, but it is the law for us to get it." Me: "Show me that place in the Constitution where is says you need to know how many bathrooms in my abode?" Census "official": "You need to give us your information or you will be fined." Me: "Do you often threaten people with fines that go by the Law of the Land? Do you know that is extortion?" Lights, cameras........
From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 16:41 On Mar 22, 1:27 pm, "P. Maffia" <pmaf...(a)centurytel.net> wrote: > As usual Knews displays his utter ignorance of the law and Constitution. > > Although over the years a lot of questions have been raise about some of the > data collected by the Census. And there are some good arguments against some > of that. > > However, no Court at any level has ever declared that any of the information > finally collected was, as knowsnothing contends, unconstitutional. > Why does one have to get so smart to be so stupid? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enumeration Who pays these guys in Black Robes that "interpret" this plain language? In the common law courts the people are the judge, jury, and executioner. The Law of the Land says "enumerate." 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8......
From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 16:59 On Mar 22, 12:05 pm, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Innews:874b520f-e398-4b45-8cb3-37e7b4e695aa(a)u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com, > > > > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Mar 22, 4:48 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Innews:685f3be2-d96f-4cdd-8998-18e4b8f40240(a)t32g2000prg.googlegroups.com, > > >> knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com <knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> Here is what I did. > >>> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > >>> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > >>> 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > >>> Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > >>>http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo.... > > >>> I typed at the top: > > >>> "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this > >>> abode when > >>> you give me the answers to these questions." > > >>> 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but > >>> it does > >>> not authorize the taking of private information or even the > >>> names of > >>> individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority > >>> to > >>> demand our private information? > > >> It says " in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law > >> direct." > > > What part of "enumerate" don't you understand? > > I understand the whole thing. > > > All it has purview to do is COUNT. > > Not true. Why do all of you KOOKS always think that something is as > you think it should be? > > The Constitution, which you are so quick to quote, also says that > the final arbiter of what the Constitution means is whatever the > Courts rule it to be. As this concerns the cencus, the courts have > ruled as follows: > > The census does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Morales v. Daley, > 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 820 (S.D. Tex. 2000). In concluding that there > was no basis for holding Census 2000 unconstitutional, the District > Court in Morales ruled that the 2000 Census and the 2000 Census > questions did not violate the Fourth Amendment or other > constitutional provisions as alleged by plaintiffs. (The Morales > court said responses to census questions are not a violation of a > citizen's right to privacy or speech.) " [I]t is clear that the > degree to which these questions intrude upon an individual's privacy > is limited, given the methods used to collect the census data and > the statutory assurance that the answers and attribution to an > individual will remain confidential. The degree to which the > information is needed for the promotion of legitimate governmental > interests has been found to be significant. A census of the type of > Census 2000 has been taken every ten years since the first census in > 1790. Such a census has been thought to be necessary for over two > hundred years. There is no basis for holding that it is not > necessary in the year 2000." > The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit affirmed the > District Court decision on October 10, 2001, 275 F.3d 45. The U.S. > Supreme Court denied petition for writ of certiorari on February 19, > 2002, 534 U.S. 1135. No published opinions were filed with these > rulings. > > These decisions are consistent with the Supreme Court's recent > description of the census as the "linchpin of the federal > statistical system collecting data on the characteristics of > individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country." > Dept. of Commerce v. U.S. House of Representatives, 525 U.S. 316, > 341 (1999). > > > 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,...get it? > http://usgovinfo.about.com/blctjurisdiction.htm The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court s considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution. This power of judicial review has given the Court a crucial responsibility in assuring individual rights, as well as in maintaining a living Constitution whose broad provisions are continually applied to complicated new situations. ................. I'd like to see that "living constitution" in the Constitution too. .................... While the function of judicial review is not explicitly provided in the Constitution, Hoooboyyyy..... it had been anticipated before the adoption of that document. Prior to 1789, state courts had already overturned legislative acts which conflicted with state constitutions. Moreover, many of the Founding Fathers expected the Supreme Court to assume this role in regard to the Constitution; Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, for example, had underlined the importance of judicial review in the Federalist Papers, which urged adoption of the Constitution. Hamilton had written that through the practice of judicial review the Court ensured that the will of the whole people, as expressed in their Constitution, would be supreme over the will of a legislature, whose statutes might express only the temporary will of part of the people. And Madison had written that constitutional interpretation must be left to the reasoned judgment of independent judges, Aaaahhhh... There's the rub.
From: Strabo on 22 Mar 2010 18:25 Dan wrote: > knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> Here is what I did. >> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. >> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." >> 2 Human souls @ this abode. >> >> Then I copied the Ten Questions here: >> >> http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/03/11/will-fifth-amendment-work-with-us-census-2010-privacy-questions-probably-not-census-getting-too-close-personal-video/ >> >> >> I typed at the top: >> >> "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this abode when >> you give me the answers to these questions." >> >> 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it does >> not authorize the taking of private information or even the names of >> individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority to >> demand our private information? > > Article 1, Section 2: "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three > Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and > within every subsequent Term of ten Years, >>>in such Manner as they > [Congress, specifically, the House of Representatives] shall by Law > direct.<<<" > >> 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private information >> that the Census bureau may demand and collect? > > Not really. > I suppose you feel the need to support your errant brethern. "The actual Enumeration..." means ONLY a head count. " in such Manner as they shall by Law direct." refers to the operation of the census, NOT the content. <snipped> > >> 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal >> information, Are there any circumstances under which law enforcement >> or spy agencies can access Census information? > > That is a good question! > Everything collected by the census is made available to politicians and cops. The TIGER database is compiled for demographers. This will no longer be needed once industry is nationalized and unionized but then neither will the Constitution. <snipped>
From: knews4u2chew on 22 Mar 2010 17:39
On Mar 22, 3:25 pm, Strabo <str...(a)flashlight.net> wrote: > Dan wrote: > > knews4u2c...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >> Here is what I did. > >> I took the "Census Privacy Notice" and wrote on it. > >> "Yes. We will stand on our 5th Amendment "Right to privacy." > >> 2 Human souls @ this abode. > > >> Then I copied the Ten Questions here: > > >>http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzo.... > > >> I typed at the top: > > >> "I will answer your questions for the 2 human souls at this abode when > >> you give me the answers to these questions." > > >> 1. The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it does > >> not authorize the taking of private information or even the names of > >> individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority to > >> demand our private information? > > > Article 1, Section 2: "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three > > Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and > > within every subsequent Term of ten Years, >>>in such Manner as they > > [Congress, specifically, the House of Representatives] shall by Law > > direct.<<<" > > >> 2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private information > >> that the Census bureau may demand and collect? > > > Not really. > > I suppose you feel the need to support your errant brethern. > > "The actual Enumeration..." means ONLY a head count. > > " in such Manner as they shall by Law direct." refers to the operation > of the census, NOT the content. > > <snipped> > > > > >> 6. The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal > >> information, Are there any circumstances under which law enforcement > >> or spy agencies can access Census information? > > > That is a good question! > > Everything collected by the census is made available to politicians > and cops. The TIGER database is compiled for demographers. This will > no longer be needed once industry is nationalized and unionized but > then neither will the Constitution. > > <snipped> http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin576.htm |