How to tell a rank amateur from a seasoned one, or a pro
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From: John Navas on 21 Jun 2010 13:23 On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT), in <87351056-2e43-4c5c-b33d-c1d2a42d014c(a)d4g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jun 20, 11:44�pm, John Navas <jn...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT), in >> <ccd9a097-d27c-4940-8488-d3124e49c...(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, >> >> RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >The original poster is a rank amateur. �He argues against a point made >> >later in the thread in favour of the 7-14mm Panasonic versus the >> >9-18mm Olympus. �The Panasonic is an enthusiast, even a pro lens. �The >> >Olympus is a kit lens. �14-18mm lenses (equivalent on a FF) were never >> >meant as "walk around lenses." 14-18mm lenses are specific tools meant >> >for very narrowly defined tasks involving extreme angles, they are not >> >frigging "street shooting" lenses. �We've become spoiled because these >> >kinds of wide angles weren't available to amateurs for cheap prices >> >until recently (the last 10 years or so). �Prior to that, they were >> >high priced prime lenses that rarely saw the inside of an amateur's >> >bag. �It's no wonder current owners (some of them) don't have a clue >> >as to their actual purpose. >> >> >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=35620547 >> >> This matters ... why? > >Because it's there? Why does anything matter? I didn't think so. Thanks for the confirmation. The only way to tell to tell a rank amateur from a seasoned one, or a pro, is to look at their images. Equipment is irrelevant, except to those who mistakenly think great equipment will make them great photographers. It won't. What matters is the photographer, not the equipment. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: /dev/null/ on 21 Jun 2010 14:19 Your point is moot, neither Panasonic or Olympus are pro cameras. "RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ccd9a097-d27c-4940-8488-d3124e49cd48(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > The original poster is a rank amateur. He argues against a point made > later in the thread in favour of the 7-14mm Panasonic versus the > 9-18mm Olympus. The Panasonic is an enthusiast, even a pro lens. The > Olympus is a kit lens. 14-18mm lenses (equivalent on a FF) were never > meant as "walk around lenses." 14-18mm lenses are specific tools meant > for very narrowly defined tasks involving extreme angles, they are not > frigging "street shooting" lenses. We've become spoiled because these > kinds of wide angles weren't available to amateurs for cheap prices > until recently (the last 10 years or so). Prior to that, they were > high priced prime lenses that rarely saw the inside of an amateur's > bag. It's no wonder current owners (some of them) don't have a clue > as to their actual purpose. > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=35620547 >
From: /dev/null/ on 21 Jun 2010 14:24 "Outing Trolls is FUN!" <otif(a)trollouters.org> wrote in message news:d4ut16ljk0jocal1tmliudovahgran7r5l(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>The original poster is a rank amateur. He argues against a point made >>later in the thread in favour of the 7-14mm Panasonic versus the > > Wrong. All rank amateurs are more concerned with equipment than the > photographs they are trying to create, no matter what camera and lens > might > be in their hands. > I agree with that. Earlier I commented about neither Panasonic or Olympus being pro cameras. That is not a reflection on the product, but rather the market segment. Nikon and Canon both have Pro Service that give advantages over Pentax, Sony et al. A skilled shooter can get great results if he/she knows their limitations.
From: Mike Russell on 21 Jun 2010 15:32 On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:55:17 -0500, George Kerby wrote: > ... with your toy P&S. Absolutely. The newer, non SLR cameras are capable of professional results in a variety of surprising situations, and it just keeps getting better. Here are several moon images, that were done hand-held with a relatively inexpensive P&S - a Panasonic with a price well under $500, with a 1.5 doubler I got on eBay for $150. http://www.curvemeister.com/forum/index.php/topic,2184.0.html This camera is intended mainly for animal shots, and it works extremely well for that, as you can imagine with an effective focal length of about 750mm. -- Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com
From: Paul Furman on 21 Jun 2010 15:51
RichA wrote: > The original poster is a rank amateur. He argues against a point made > later in the thread in favour of the 7-14mm Panasonic versus the > 9-18mm Olympus. The Panasonic is an enthusiast, even a pro lens. The > Olympus is a kit lens. 14-18mm lenses (equivalent on a FF) were never > meant as "walk around lenses." 14-18mm lenses are specific tools meant > for very narrowly defined tasks involving extreme angles, they are not > frigging "street shooting" lenses. We've become spoiled because these > kinds of wide angles weren't available to amateurs for cheap prices > until recently (the last 10 years or so). Prior to that, they were > high priced prime lenses that rarely saw the inside of an amateur's > bag. It's no wonder current owners (some of them) don't have a clue > as to their actual purpose. I don't know what you're rambling on about. People walk around with whatever lens that pleases them. The Oly is apparently compact, which is great for walking around with a small camera street shooting, and costs less, which is the other point of m4/3. I love wide angle street shooting at 12mm FF. The demo pics are not award winning high art but nothing wrong with them either and I didn't see where they claimed to be pro. BTW, I didn't realize different brand m4/3 lenses were actually compatible for electrical connections, metering, AF, etc... That's got to be a first in the industry, ever. > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=35620547 > |