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From: Bob Larter on 30 Oct 2009 23:21 John Navas wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:44:05 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> > wrote in <4aead188$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: > >> tony cooper wrote: >>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:03:53 -0500, Outing Trolls is FUN! >>> <otif(a)myaddress.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Just as a DSLR is a "master of none". It's not even a "jack of all trades" >>>> It can't be used silently so as to take photos of wild animals without >>>> changing their behavior, your presence alerted to them by the sound of your >>>> camera, or the subject fleeing without you getting a second chance to take >>>> a shot. >>>> >>>> It can't be taken into most public performances these days due to the >>>> intrusive and obnoxious qualities of them. >>> That, in itself, is one of the best reasons to own a dslr and not a >>> p&s. I don't like paying for a ticket and have some idiot in front of >>> me standing up to fire off a flash picture of dots in the distance. >> Too true. Any time I'm photographing a gig, I'm an invited guest. If >> some P&S shooter refuses to move out of the way, I can just ask security >> to move them for me. > > How silly and arrogant. I'd hazard a guess that you're no more welcome. Like I said, I'm generally shooting at the invitation of the performers. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter on 30 Oct 2009 23:23 nospam wrote: > In article <4aead29d$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Bob Larter > <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Even the big and expensive Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus >>> lens isn't all that close: >> Are you serious? The 28-300mm EF is a 10:1 zoom! Try using a _good_ lens. > > he's fixated on a superzoom. I do own some zooms, but I prefer primes, & would never expect top quality out of a 10:1 zoom - even if it is an 'L' zoom. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter on 30 Oct 2009 23:24 John Navas wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:48:42 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> > wrote in <4aead29d$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: > >> John Navas wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:56:37 -0700, John Navas >>> <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote in >>> <fr4ee5p9196a1mduq553nj92auolvl8pnk(a)4ax.com>: >>> >>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh >>>>> Since John expressed a hypothetical willingness to pay 4x the price of >>>>> a typical P&S, the proportionally appropriate factor of 4x taken >>>>> against the price of an S90, would give us a $1600 budget to work >>>>> with. Plenty of options & choices. And even if we do a simple >>>>> linearization to a +$300 premium, that would afford a $700 budget; >>>>> there's still several choices. > >>>> I've said nothing of the sort. What I have said is that even a budget >>>> dSLR kit that still falls far short of the Panasonic FZ28 is on the >>>> order of $1,128 (as I detailed in my earlier post to this thread), far >>>> more expensive than the FZ28, and to get close to comparable quality, >>>> it's more like $3,000 (Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus >>>> lens, as I've detailed in several prior posts to this forum). >>>> Apology accepted. >>> Even the big and expensive Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus >>> lens isn't all that close: >> Are you serious? The 28-300mm EF is a 10:1 zoom! Try using a _good_ lens. > > The Panasonic FZ28 has an _18:1_ zoom that is more than _good_. > > The painful fact for dSLR fans/users is that there _aren't_ any good > lenses that even get close to matching the Leica super-zoom lenses on > Panasonic compact digital cameras. They instead have to fantasize > lugging around and fumbling with an infinite lens kit. *snort* Are you sure you aren't the P&S troll? -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: John Navas on 31 Oct 2009 00:46 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:23:31 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in <4aeb9fa5$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >nospam wrote: >> In article <4aead29d$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Bob Larter >> <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> Even the big and expensive Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus >>>> lens isn't all that close: >>> Are you serious? The 28-300mm EF is a 10:1 zoom! Try using a _good_ lens. >> >> he's fixated on a superzoom. > >I do own some zooms, but I prefer primes, & would never expect top >quality out of a 10:1 zoom - even if it is an 'L' zoom. The Panasonic Leica super-zoom actually outperforms a prime on a comparable dSLR, as shown by 3rd-party test data I've posted here previously. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: John Navas on 31 Oct 2009 00:48
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:21:28 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in <4aeb9f2b$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >John Navas wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:44:05 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> >> wrote in <4aead188$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >> >>> tony cooper wrote: >>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:03:53 -0500, Outing Trolls is FUN! >>>> <otif(a)myaddress.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just as a DSLR is a "master of none". It's not even a "jack of all trades" >>>>> It can't be used silently so as to take photos of wild animals without >>>>> changing their behavior, your presence alerted to them by the sound of your >>>>> camera, or the subject fleeing without you getting a second chance to take >>>>> a shot. >>>>> >>>>> It can't be taken into most public performances these days due to the >>>>> intrusive and obnoxious qualities of them. >>>> That, in itself, is one of the best reasons to own a dslr and not a >>>> p&s. I don't like paying for a ticket and have some idiot in front of >>>> me standing up to fire off a flash picture of dots in the distance. >>> Too true. Any time I'm photographing a gig, I'm an invited guest. If >>> some P&S shooter refuses to move out of the way, I can just ask security >>> to move them for me. >> >> How silly and arrogant. I'd hazard a guess that you're no more welcome. > >Like I said, I'm generally shooting at the invitation of the performers. Read what I wrote more carefully. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams |