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From: nospam on 30 Oct 2009 09:18 In article <4aead29d$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Even the big and expensive Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus > > lens isn't all that close: > > Are you serious? The 28-300mm EF is a 10:1 zoom! Try using a _good_ lens. he's fixated on a superzoom.
From: John Navas on 30 Oct 2009 10:09 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:41:31 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in <4aead0ee$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >nospam wrote: >> In article <pc3ee5drvsi7vgentq1fo0g32m0e3jj6no(a)4ax.com>, John Navas >> <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> >>> That's a bit harsh, but it is true that affordable dSLR cameras don't >>> measure up to the top compact digitals like the Panasonic FZ35, >> >> they not only measure up but they exceed it in just about every way >> other than size and weight. >> >>> and disingenuous to claim a dSLR for $400 is a reasonable alternative. >> >> not at all. >> >>> Even a budget Canon dSLR kit that still falls far short of the lens >>> performance of the FZ35, for example, runs much more (at B&H): >>> * Canon EOS Rebel XSi Digital Camera (body only) . . $532.95 >>> * Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Autofocus Lens . . $595.00 >>> Total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1,127.95 >> >> *that* is very disingenuous. not everyone wants or needs an 18-200mm >> lens. >> >> right now, b&h has a nikon d40 with lens for $469 and a canon rebel xs >> with a lens for $499. the older pentax k110d and nikon d50 sold for >> *under* 400. > >Or you could spend $50USD on a 50mm/F1.8II & a basic Canon DSLR. And wind up with something much less capable than and not really comparable to a much less expensive compact digital. By that logic, compact digital cameras "start" at under $10. Most people need and want more, which is why entry-level dSLR kits feature zoom lenses. My number are for an entry-level dSLR more (but still not really) comparable to a compact digital super-zoom. To claim otherwise is disingenuous and misleading. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: John Navas on 30 Oct 2009 10:13 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:44:57 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in <4aead1bc(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >John Navas wrote: >> Panasonic FZ20 takes silent available light images with its superb >> 36-432 mm f/2.8 zoom. > ><grin> Too bad if you need a 20mm shot to include the entire stage. ;^) 1. 36 mm is just fine in the great majority of cases. 2. 20 mm lenses result is greatly distorted images. 3. Most dSLR owners aren't equipped with 20 mm lenses. 4. It's a disingenuous to assume infinite lenses. 5. Panoramas can easily be created by stitching images. In other words, a non-issue. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: John Navas on 30 Oct 2009 10:14 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:44:05 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in <4aead188$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >tony cooper wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:03:53 -0500, Outing Trolls is FUN! >> <otif(a)myaddress.net> wrote: >> >>> Just as a DSLR is a "master of none". It's not even a "jack of all trades" >>> It can't be used silently so as to take photos of wild animals without >>> changing their behavior, your presence alerted to them by the sound of your >>> camera, or the subject fleeing without you getting a second chance to take >>> a shot. >>> >>> It can't be taken into most public performances these days due to the >>> intrusive and obnoxious qualities of them. >> >> That, in itself, is one of the best reasons to own a dslr and not a >> p&s. I don't like paying for a ticket and have some idiot in front of >> me standing up to fire off a flash picture of dots in the distance. > >Too true. Any time I'm photographing a gig, I'm an invited guest. If >some P&S shooter refuses to move out of the way, I can just ask security >to move them for me. How silly and arrogant. I'd hazard a guess that you're no more welcome. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: John Navas on 30 Oct 2009 10:20
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:48:42 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote in <4aead29d$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>: >John Navas wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:56:37 -0700, John Navas >> <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote in >> <fr4ee5p9196a1mduq553nj92auolvl8pnk(a)4ax.com>: >> >>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh >> >>>> Since John expressed a hypothetical willingness to pay 4x the price of >>>> a typical P&S, the proportionally appropriate factor of 4x taken >>>> against the price of an S90, would give us a $1600 budget to work >>>> with. Plenty of options & choices. And even if we do a simple >>>> linearization to a +$300 premium, that would afford a $700 budget; >>>> there's still several choices. >>> I've said nothing of the sort. What I have said is that even a budget >>> dSLR kit that still falls far short of the Panasonic FZ28 is on the >>> order of $1,128 (as I detailed in my earlier post to this thread), far >>> more expensive than the FZ28, and to get close to comparable quality, >>> it's more like $3,000 (Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus >>> lens, as I've detailed in several prior posts to this forum). >>> Apology accepted. >> >> Even the big and expensive Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus >> lens isn't all that close: > >Are you serious? The 28-300mm EF is a 10:1 zoom! Try using a _good_ lens. The Panasonic FZ28 has an _18:1_ zoom that is more than _good_. The painful fact for dSLR fans/users is that there _aren't_ any good lenses that even get close to matching the Leica super-zoom lenses on Panasonic compact digital cameras. They instead have to fantasize lugging around and fumbling with an infinite lens kit. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams |