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From: Jim Thompson on 2 Jan 2010 15:23 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:08:33 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:37:47 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) >wrote: > >>Nobody <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:25 -0800, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >>>> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >>> >>>Because the "watch list" has roughly a million names on it, and if they >>>actually barred everyone on it from flying, the airlines would go bust >>>(and probably the goverment too, from all of the lawsuits). >>> >>>The *real* issue is why he was only placed on the (pointless) "watch" >>>list, rather than the "selectee" list (which qualifies people for extra >>>screening), or the actual "no-fly" list. >> >>IMHO they should have stopped him at Schiphol regardless of all the >>lists. With a bit of luck the bodyscanners will be operational like >>they should have been long ago. > >With my artificial hip, I always get special "handling". > >Last time I went out of Phoenix they asked if it was OK to use the >full body scanner, and I said OK. > >Unfortunately it takes enough time that screening every passenger >would slow things down... but it's a lot faster for me than the usual >take me aside for the full frisk and wand. > > ...Jim Thompson Went to the grocery store. While on the way, on the radio they were discussing full body scanning. The implication was you were simply seen nude. What good would that be if you stashed PETN in a body "cavity"? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Spehro Pefhany on 2 Jan 2010 15:42 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:23:25 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:08:33 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: > >>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:37:47 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) >>wrote: >> >>>Nobody <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:25 -0800, John Larkin wrote: >>>> >>>>> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >>>>> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >>>> >>>>Because the "watch list" has roughly a million names on it, and if they >>>>actually barred everyone on it from flying, the airlines would go bust >>>>(and probably the goverment too, from all of the lawsuits). >>>> >>>>The *real* issue is why he was only placed on the (pointless) "watch" >>>>list, rather than the "selectee" list (which qualifies people for extra >>>>screening), or the actual "no-fly" list. >>> >>>IMHO they should have stopped him at Schiphol regardless of all the >>>lists. With a bit of luck the bodyscanners will be operational like >>>they should have been long ago. >> >>With my artificial hip, I always get special "handling". >> >>Last time I went out of Phoenix they asked if it was OK to use the >>full body scanner, and I said OK. >> >>Unfortunately it takes enough time that screening every passenger >>would slow things down... but it's a lot faster for me than the usual >>take me aside for the full frisk and wand. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Went to the grocery store. While on the way, on the radio they were >discussing full body scanning. The implication was you were simply >seen nude. What good would that be if you stashed PETN in a body >"cavity"? > > ...Jim Thompson None at all, unless you own stock in the scanner mfr. It could detect (externally) hidden ceramic knives and such like that the metal detector might miss (though the consumer knives apparently deliberately include enough metal to allow them to be detected). You do want at least the appearance of security, no? http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/body-scanner-airport.jpg Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff(a)interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
From: Jim Yanik on 2 Jan 2010 15:45 krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in news:rvmuj55lide4oqe9qstjjvgo0uka7e0n10(a)4ax.com: > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:24:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje ><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:43:58 -0600) it happened krw >><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in >><8k5tj5tp69uqhahtmrpr07lduih9dsgq9b(a)4ax.com>: >> >>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:40:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:47:14 -0600) it happened krw >>>><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in >>>><oonsj51r2ri06bo8ojvhd0ko8v6pg2ke6e(a)4ax.com>: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:34:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:48:11 -0800) it happened Fred >>>>>>Abse <excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in >>>>>><pan.2010.01.01.18.24.42.929008(a)invalid.invalid>: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:51:06 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> freedom a Gorbatjov bought by Ronald Reagan destroyed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The well-known, caring, benevolent GULAG? >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, propaganda always shows a single POV. >>>>> >>>>>There was a kinder, gentler, side of the Gulags? >>>>> >>>>>>>"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. >>>>>> >>>>>>You need to read up on electricity too. >>>>> >>>>>You need to read up on humor, as well as history. >>>> >>>>That *was* humor, but you did not get it :-) >>> >>>Gulags are funny? I suppose Euroweenies would think so. >> >>After Quantanamo (spelling?) we are funny. > > I'm sure you don't approve of imprisoning anyone, for anything. For > once we agree. They all should simply be executed as spies. > it's reasonable and usual practice to "intern" war prisoners until the end of hostilities. why should terrorists(enemy combatants captured outside of the US) be any different? They are NOT "criminals" They consider themselves "at war" [jihad] with the US. Let's accomodate them. At Guantanamo. Andrew C. McCarthy,former Federal prosecutor; "As McCarthy explains in his landmark book, Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad, we accept a certain level of criminal activity within American society. We know there will be murders, robberies, rapes, and muggings; we understand that the FBI will never eliminate organized crime; we realize that some criminals will escape punishment because their guilt cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Viewing terrorism through this same prism, however, means accepting that planes will be blown up and that other forms of mass-casualty violence - bioterrorism, Fort Hood-style massacres, dirty-bomb attacks - also will occur; that terrorists can never be aggressively interrogated even if hundreds of lives depend on the information they might reveal; and that some terrorists will be allowed to walk, to rejoin the jihad, to thumb their noses at the families of their victims; and that we will never even make a serious attempt to defeat those waging war against us." McCarthy has considerable insider knowledge and knows what he's talking about.He explains it all very clearly. People would be wise to read what he's posted on this subject. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
From: krw on 2 Jan 2010 15:53 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:45:25 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote: >krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in >news:rvmuj55lide4oqe9qstjjvgo0uka7e0n10(a)4ax.com: > >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:24:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje >><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:43:58 -0600) it happened krw >>><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in >>><8k5tj5tp69uqhahtmrpr07lduih9dsgq9b(a)4ax.com>: >>> >>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:40:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:47:14 -0600) it happened krw >>>>><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in >>>>><oonsj51r2ri06bo8ojvhd0ko8v6pg2ke6e(a)4ax.com>: >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:34:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:48:11 -0800) it happened Fred >>>>>>>Abse <excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>><pan.2010.01.01.18.24.42.929008(a)invalid.invalid>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:51:06 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> freedom a Gorbatjov bought by Ronald Reagan destroyed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The well-known, caring, benevolent GULAG? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well, propaganda always shows a single POV. >>>>>> >>>>>>There was a kinder, gentler, side of the Gulags? >>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You need to read up on electricity too. >>>>>> >>>>>>You need to read up on humor, as well as history. >>>>> >>>>>That *was* humor, but you did not get it :-) >>>> >>>>Gulags are funny? I suppose Euroweenies would think so. >>> >>>After Quantanamo (spelling?) we are funny. >> >> I'm sure you don't approve of imprisoning anyone, for anything. For >> once we agree. They all should simply be executed as spies. >> > >it's reasonable and usual practice to "intern" war prisoners until the end >of hostilities. why should terrorists(enemy combatants captured outside of >the US) be any different? They are NOT "criminals" Most were captured outside of their own country, as well. No uniform == spy => execute. >They consider themselves "at war" [jihad] with the US. >Let's accomodate them. > >At Guantanamo. Good of a place as any for a gallows. Certainly better than in range of the ACLU. >Andrew C. McCarthy,former Federal prosecutor; >"As McCarthy explains in his landmark book, Willful Blindness: A Memoir of >the Jihad, we accept a certain level of criminal activity within American >society. We know there will be murders, robberies, rapes, and muggings; we >understand that the FBI will never eliminate organized crime; we realize >that some criminals will escape punishment because their guilt cannot be >proven beyond a reasonable doubt. > >Viewing terrorism through this same prism, however, means accepting that >planes will be blown up and that other forms of mass-casualty violence - >bioterrorism, Fort Hood-style massacres, dirty-bomb attacks - also will >occur; that terrorists can never be aggressively interrogated even if >hundreds of lives depend on the information they might reveal; and that >some terrorists will be allowed to walk, to rejoin the jihad, to thumb >their noses at the families of their victims; and that we will never even >make a serious attempt to defeat those waging war against us." > >McCarthy has considerable insider knowledge and knows what he's talking >about.He explains it all very clearly. >People would be wise to read what he's posted on this subject.
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:37:47 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote: >Nobody <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:25 -0800, John Larkin wrote: >> >>> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >>> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >> >>Because the "watch list" has roughly a million names on it, and if they >>actually barred everyone on it from flying, the airlines would go bust >>(and probably the goverment too, from all of the lawsuits). >> >>The *real* issue is why he was only placed on the (pointless) "watch" >>list, rather than the "selectee" list (which qualifies people for extra >>screening), or the actual "no-fly" list. > >IMHO they should have stopped him at Schiphol regardless of all the >lists. With a bit of luck the bodyscanners will be operational like >they should have been long ago. You obviously missed the nature of his journey through the Netherlands. Repeating from my earlier post: In this instance Shipol made no difference. He was a transit passenger, hence no screening per se. And he was travelling with a valid Nigerian passport and valid US visa. Also it appears he was NOT on any Netherlands watch list - the USA habit of not sharing among their own security branches appears to extend to not sharing internationally. |