Indian scientist invents bloom box for electricity production
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From: Michael Coburn on 26 Feb 2010 20:46 On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:22:25 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: > On 2/26/2010 10:49 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:19:13 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> On 2/26/2010 1:32 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:36:18 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2/24/2010 1:01 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:41:19 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/23/2010 4:41 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:38:51 -0800, Benj wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 4:09 am, "Cwatters" >>>>>>>>> <colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From what I can tell it's "just" a fuel cell. No doubt >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> Google are interested so they can run it off biofuel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right. Electricity from food. Burning food for energy has >>>>>>>>> already begun to work out real well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Typical oil company shill response. There are a lot more biofuel >>>>>>>> efforts that use non food resources these days. Corn was a >>>>>>>> disaster and it is the gift that keeps on giving for the oil >>>>>>>> company shills. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So how much of this biofuel comes from non-cropland resources? >>>>>>> That's the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the case of switchgrass and woodchips and algae there is no use >>>>>> of "cropland". >>>>> >>>>> So where do the switchgrass and wood chips and algae come from? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> From land that cannot grow food crops economically. >>> >>> And yet it can grow switchgrass. Hint--if it's a grass it grows in >>> the same kind of conditions as other grasses, and "other grasses" >>> includes wheat and corn. >> >> Nope. > > I see. So show us switchgrass growing in a place where wheat or corn > won't grow. It is obviously more economically beneficial to grow the switchgrass or it would not be the crop of choice. You lose. >>> As for wood chips, what kind of land can grow trees but not trees that >>> are currently useful for purposes other than being burned? >> >> Better used for ethanol. > > It helps if you put a subject in your sentences. What is "better used > for ethanol" and in what way is that use "better"? And what are you > going to do with the ethanol if not burn it? Are you planning on > drinking it? It is economically more benficial to use the land in question for the production of ethanol than to use it for the production of food crops. It is entirely possible to grow corn in Death Valley. But it is economically stupid. -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: J. Clarke on 26 Feb 2010 21:53 On 2/26/2010 8:46 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:22:25 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: > >> On 2/26/2010 10:49 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:19:13 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/26/2010 1:32 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:36:18 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/24/2010 1:01 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:41:19 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/23/2010 4:41 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:38:51 -0800, Benj wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 4:09 am, "Cwatters" >>>>>>>>>> <colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From what I can tell it's "just" a fuel cell. No doubt >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> Google are interested so they can run it off biofuel. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right. Electricity from food. Burning food for energy has >>>>>>>>>> already begun to work out real well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Typical oil company shill response. There are a lot more biofuel >>>>>>>>> efforts that use non food resources these days. Corn was a >>>>>>>>> disaster and it is the gift that keeps on giving for the oil >>>>>>>>> company shills. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So how much of this biofuel comes from non-cropland resources? >>>>>>>> That's the issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the case of switchgrass and woodchips and algae there is no use >>>>>>> of "cropland". >>>>>> >>>>>> So where do the switchgrass and wood chips and algae come from? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> From land that cannot grow food crops economically. >>>> >>>> And yet it can grow switchgrass. Hint--if it's a grass it grows in >>>> the same kind of conditions as other grasses, and "other grasses" >>>> includes wheat and corn. >>> >>> Nope. >> >> I see. So show us switchgrass growing in a place where wheat or corn >> won't grow. > > It is obviously more economically beneficial to grow the switchgrass or > it would not be the crop of choice. You lose. In other words you know of no such place. >>>> As for wood chips, what kind of land can grow trees but not trees that >>>> are currently useful for purposes other than being burned? >>> >>> Better used for ethanol. >> >> It helps if you put a subject in your sentences. What is "better used >> for ethanol" and in what way is that use "better"? And what are you >> going to do with the ethanol if not burn it? Are you planning on >> drinking it? > > It is economically more benficial to use the land in question for the > production of ethanol than to use it for the production of food crops. > It is entirely possible to grow corn in Death Valley. But it is > economically stupid. It is economically more beneficial to use the best farmland in Iowa for the production of ethanol than to use it for the production of food crops. This had already led to increases in the cost of food. You were asked to show that land which could not be used for farming could be used to produce ethanol. So far you have failed to do so. Care to try again?
From: Michael Coburn on 27 Feb 2010 00:35 On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:53:48 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: > On 2/26/2010 8:46 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:22:25 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> On 2/26/2010 10:49 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:19:13 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2/26/2010 1:32 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:36:18 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/24/2010 1:01 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:41:19 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/23/2010 4:41 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:38:51 -0800, Benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 4:09 am, "Cwatters" >>>>>>>>>>> <colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From what I can tell it's "just" a fuel cell. No >>>>>>>>>>>> doubt >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> Google are interested so they can run it off biofuel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Right. Electricity from food. Burning food for energy has >>>>>>>>>>> already begun to work out real well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Typical oil company shill response. There are a lot more >>>>>>>>>> biofuel efforts that use non food resources these days. Corn >>>>>>>>>> was a disaster and it is the gift that keeps on giving for the >>>>>>>>>> oil company shills. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So how much of this biofuel comes from non-cropland resources? >>>>>>>>> That's the issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the case of switchgrass and woodchips and algae there is no >>>>>>>> use of "cropland". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So where do the switchgrass and wood chips and algae come from? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> From land that cannot grow food crops economically. >>>>> >>>>> And yet it can grow switchgrass. Hint--if it's a grass it grows in >>>>> the same kind of conditions as other grasses, and "other grasses" >>>>> includes wheat and corn. >>>> >>>> Nope. >>> >>> I see. So show us switchgrass growing in a place where wheat or corn >>> won't grow. >> >> It is obviously more economically beneficial to grow the switchgrass or >> it would not be the crop of choice. You lose. > > In other words you know of no such place. I just gave you the "place", lying pig. Actually, the use of the land surrounding the Sea of Cortes for the purpose of algae farms is a very good example. You will not be using that land to grow any food crop because there is not enough fresh water. The algae biofuels produced in that area would come on line at $10 a gallon. But there is no way in hell you could economically raise food crops there. >>>>> As for wood chips, what kind of land can grow trees but not trees >>>>> that are currently useful for purposes other than being burned? >>>> >>>> Better used for ethanol. >>> >>> It helps if you put a subject in your sentences. What is "better used >>> for ethanol" and in what way is that use "better"? And what are you >>> going to do with the ethanol if not burn it? Are you planning on >>> drinking it? >> >> It is economically more benficial to use the land in question for the >> production of ethanol than to use it for the production of food crops. >> It is entirely possible to grow corn in Death Valley. But it is >> economically stupid. > > It is economically more beneficial to use the best farmland in Iowa for > the production of ethanol than to use it for the production of food > crops. > This had already led to increases in the cost of food. The run up in the price of oil to over $140 a barrel caused the use of the land to change from food crops to biofuels. That's the way it works. The subsequent decline in the price of oil restored the cropland. That is reality. > You were > asked to show that land which could not be used for farming could be > used to produce ethanol. So far you have failed to do so. > > Care to try again? The land used for algae farms is not cropland and the land used for switchgrass is not cropland. -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: jimp on 27 Feb 2010 11:56 In sci.physics Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:53:48 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: > >> On 2/26/2010 8:46 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:22:25 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/26/2010 10:49 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:19:13 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/26/2010 1:32 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:36:18 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/24/2010 1:01 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:41:19 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2/23/2010 4:41 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:38:51 -0800, Benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 4:09 am, "Cwatters" >>>>>>>>>>>> <colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From what I can tell it's "just" a fuel cell. No >>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt >>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google are interested so they can run it off biofuel. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Electricity from food. Burning food for energy has >>>>>>>>>>>> already begun to work out real well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Typical oil company shill response. There are a lot more >>>>>>>>>>> biofuel efforts that use non food resources these days. Corn >>>>>>>>>>> was a disaster and it is the gift that keeps on giving for the >>>>>>>>>>> oil company shills. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So how much of this biofuel comes from non-cropland resources? >>>>>>>>>> That's the issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the case of switchgrass and woodchips and algae there is no >>>>>>>>> use of "cropland". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So where do the switchgrass and wood chips and algae come from? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> From land that cannot grow food crops economically. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yet it can grow switchgrass. Hint--if it's a grass it grows in >>>>>> the same kind of conditions as other grasses, and "other grasses" >>>>>> includes wheat and corn. >>>>> >>>>> Nope. >>>> >>>> I see. So show us switchgrass growing in a place where wheat or corn >>>> won't grow. >>> >>> It is obviously more economically beneficial to grow the switchgrass or >>> it would not be the crop of choice. You lose. >> >> In other words you know of no such place. > > I just gave you the "place", lying pig. > > Actually, the use of the land surrounding the Sea of Cortes for the > purpose of algae farms is a very good example. You will not be using > that land to grow any food crop because there is not enough fresh water. > The algae biofuels produced in that area would come on line at $10 a > gallon. But there is no way in hell you could economically raise food > crops there. I notice you switched the subject from switchgrass. Nice red herring. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: Dean Hoffman on 27 Feb 2010 18:09
On Feb 26, 8:19 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 2/26/2010 1:32 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:36:18 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: > > >> On 2/24/2010 1:01 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: > >>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:41:19 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: > > >>>> On 2/23/2010 4:41 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:38:51 -0800, Benj wrote: > > >>>>>> On Feb 23, 4:09 am, "Cwatters" > >>>>>> <colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> From what I can tell it's "just" a fuel cell. No doubt people > >>>>>>> like > >>>>>>> Google are interested so they can run it off biofuel. > > >>>>>> Right. Electricity from food. Burning food for energy has already > >>>>>> begun to work out real well. > > >>>>> Typical oil company shill response. There are a lot more biofuel > >>>>> efforts that use non food resources these days. Corn was a disaster > >>>>> and it is the gift that keeps on giving for the oil company shills. > > >>>> So how much of this biofuel comes from non-cropland resources? That's > >>>> the issue. > > >>> In the case of switchgrass and woodchips and algae there is no use of > >>> "cropland". > > >> So where do the switchgrass and wood chips and algae come from? > > > From land that cannot grow food crops economically. > > And yet it can grow switchgrass. Hint--if it's a grass it grows in the > same kind of conditions as other grasses, and "other grasses" includes > wheat and corn. Not really. Corn needs a lot of water to produce a decent crop. Another consideration is soil erosion. The Nebraska Sandhills, for example, is good grass and cattle country. People can raise corn there but wind and water can cause blowouts which are hard to control. Extreme southwest Nebraska and parts of Colorado have the same problem. Switchgrass could be a better choice in those areas because the ground wouldn't be worked every year. Erosion can be a problem even with modern low and no till farming systems. > > As for wood chips, what kind of land can grow trees but not trees that > are currently useful for purposes other than being burned? |