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From: JT on 14 Sep 2009 06:06 On 13 Sep, 23:37, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > > kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > > recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > > compressed gases? > > > I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > > pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > introduced to him. > > Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > (god has purpose?) > > [1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > [2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > _____ > Heavier than air flying machines will be proven to be a hoax.http://blog.go-here.nl Of course the generated heat could be tranfered to actually help drive the electromagnet and coil. I guess i was thinking abit about your idea Sue, decided to use the momentum from recoil for accelleration and let the "bullet" be transformed inot excited gasmolecules that that is pressurised by the coil and is transformed into heat. Below a crue ASCI sketch, doesn't really work in googles does it. 1. Heavy metal surrounded by damper. 2. Small gaschaimber under pressure used for damping between metalcore and coil, coil reach equibrillium between the two chambers when not accelerated. 3. The X represent coil in equilibrium by the pressure between two gaschaimbers 4. Second pressurised gaschaimber with heat exchange membran (The coilseparated gaschaimbers resides within a iron tube, the second chaimber extends into a discshaped chaimber with a membran that exchange pressurised gas into heat) 5. Around the tube is a electromagnet similar to railguns to accelerate the coil and exite the molecules into produce heat by pressurize the gas. The smaller gaschaimber above do only serve as piston a rubber damper when the electromagnetic pulse stops the two gaschaimbers try to reach equillibrium between their pressure states. 7. A water cistern/vessel against the heat exchanging material/mebran 8 A water turbin where the high pressured water spin turbin and coles of being redirected back to the watertank. 9 A generator that redirects the produced energy to the electromagnet. . ++ +++++ ++++++ MOTION + + I-------------------------------I I I I I I ( ( O ) ) I I-------------------------------I I::::::::.I I:::::::::I ---- IXXXXXI---- + ---- IXXXXXI---- - ---- IXXXXXI---- ---- I:::::::::I---- I -----I:::::::::I---- I -----I:::::::::I---- V -----I:::::::::I---- _______________ -----I:::::::::I----___________________ I<::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::>I I<::::::::::more gas in pressure chaimber::::::::::::::::::::>I I========================================I I HEAT I I WATER VESSLE I I I I______________________________________________I V Waterturbine V V V V V V V __________V___________ I I I Electric generator I I I + I_____________________I - Ok i admit it is a steamship ;)
From: gabydewilde on 14 Sep 2009 19:04 On Sep 14, 10:55 am, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 13 Sep, 23:37, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > > > kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > > > recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > > > compressed gases? > > > > I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > > > pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > > This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > > of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > > scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > > introduced to him. > > > Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > > also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > > Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > > (god has purpose?) > > > [1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > > [2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > > _____ > > Heavier than air flying machines will be proven to be a hoax.http://blog.go-here.nl > > Gyros is interesting, and Eric Laithewaite was/is? a curious soul > indeed. Professor Laithewaite http://keelynet.com/gravity/laithobi.htm > What is science if it refuse to investigate phenomens/ > questions that challlenge the physical rules it comprises of simpy > repeated dogma. You will find corruption in any reasonably sized organization. It doesn't mean everyone is corrupt just like everyone cant be right about everything. :-) ____ http://blog.go-here.nl/antigravity
From: JT on 15 Sep 2009 05:28 On 14 Sep, 11:50, "Cwatters" <colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: > "gabydewilde" <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:9f656fa5-f0a6-4a38-a32f-3ce8c61de9c5(a)a7g2000yqo.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > >> kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > >> recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > >> compressed gases? > > >> I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > >> pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > >This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > >of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > >scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > >introduced to him. > > >Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > >also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > >Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > >(god has purpose?) > > >[1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > >[2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > Ah the infamous lecture. There was no battle. He was mistaken about > gyroscopes and as long as he didn't get published nobody wanted to be the > one to publicly humiliate a once respected engineer. However once the Royal > Institute Christmas lecture broadcast errors of science it was impossible > for people not to speak out. There was a lot of good stuff in that lecture > but it was clear he was wrong on one point and he later admitted he had made > a mistake. > > Maglev trains are well understood. No battle there either. They work fine > but cost too much to build. > > Heavier than air flying machines? No they don't work well for me unless I'm > in the front seat. Would be nice with some critique on my setup? Everyone knows that momentum can transfer between objects in an open system any ballsport proves that, forces can be redirected by structural engineering, where you either let a system oscillate or use deformation zones. When a closed system experience internal acceleration of particles or objects, it will either result in momentum or oscillation. I think it is a misstake to conjecture that the oscillation will be uniform spread around the object, or that the momentum somehow always involve an extinction process where the resultant force vector always null. It depends on the structural engineering of the object. JT JT
From: gabydewilde on 16 Sep 2009 12:50 On Sep 14, 11:23 am, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 13 Sep, 23:37, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > > > kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > > > recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > > > compressed gases? > > > > I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > > > pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > > This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > > of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > > scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > > introduced to him. > > > Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > > also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > > Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > > (god has purpose?) > > > [1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > > [2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > > _____ > > Heavier than air flying machines will be proven to be a hoax.http://blog.go-here.nl > > My basic idea is from a longbow, Yes, that sums it just about up. Do some google searches, there are lots of implementations. My replies to this topic didn't seem to want to get posted for some reason. I found some funky videos and web pages that I cant seem to find now..... lol.... Here is an old page of mine I just put back up. http://go-here.nl/gdewilde-anti-gravity > and since: > ================================ > Just to be clear about it again you can maximise the deformation and > oscillation while minimize linear momentum for the recoil, while you > transfer maximum of linear momentum and minimum deformatation for the > forward coil impact. > And it will move forward, do not worry about antigravity worry about > the principle. > ================================= > > And every good principle have an inverse i think it is better to shot/ > compress gas molecule where the pressure radiates out from center of a > chaimber to the rim like a wave. When the molecules no longer can > spread a wavelike they fall back on themself and start oscillate > chaotic, spreading heat that is radiating, and could be used for > propulsion. > > JT Doing it linearly isn't a very good idea, unless you make the ship out of diamond with thousands of pistons. :D _______ http://blog.go-here.nl
From: gabydewilde on 16 Sep 2009 13:08
On Sep 14, 11:50 am, "Cwatters" wrote: > [snip wikipedia disinformation] some never learn |