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From: JT on 25 Oct 2009 21:22 On 25 Okt, 03:45, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 16 Sep, 18:32, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 12:06 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 13 Sep, 23:37, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > > > > > kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > > > > > recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > > > > > compressed gases? > > > > > > I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > > > > > pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > > > > This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > > > > of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > > > > scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > > > > introduced to him. > > > > > Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > > > > also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > > > > Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > > > > (god has purpose?) > > > > > [1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > > > > [2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > > > > _____ > > > > Heavier than air flying machines will be proven to be a hoax.http://blog.go-here.nl > > > > Of course the generated heat could be tranfered to actually help drive > > > the electromagnet and coil. > > > > I guess i was thinking abit about your idea Sue, decided to use the > > > momentum from recoil for accelleration and let the "bullet" be > > > transformed inot excited gasmolecules that that is pressurised by the > > > coil and is transformed into heat. > > > Below a crue ASCI sketch, doesn't really work in googles does it. > > > 1. Heavy metal surrounded by damper. > > > 2. Small gaschaimber under pressure used for damping between > > > metalcore > > > and coil, coil reach equibrillium between the two chambers when not > > > accelerated. > > > 3. The X represent coil in equilibrium by the pressure between two > > > gaschaimbers > > > 4. Second pressurised gaschaimber with heat exchange membran > > > (The coilseparated gaschaimbers resides within a iron tube, the > > > second > > > chaimber extends into a discshaped chaimber with a membran that > > > exchange pressurised gas into heat) > > > 5. Around the tube is a electromagnet similar to railguns to > > > accelerate the coil and exite the molecules into produce heat by > > > pressurize the gas. The smaller gaschaimber above do only serve as > > > piston a rubber damper when the electromagnetic pulse stops the two > > > gaschaimbers try to reach equillibrium between their pressure states. > > > 7. A water cistern/vessel against the heat exchanging material/mebran > > > 8 A water turbin where the high pressured water spin turbin and coles > > > of being redirected back to the watertank. > > > 9 A generator that redirects the produced energy to the > > > electromagnet. . > > > ++ > > > +++++ > > > ++++++ > > > MOTION > > > + > > > + > > > I-------------------------------I > > > I I > > > I I > > > I ( ( O ) ) I > > > I-------------------------------I > > > I::::::::.I > > > I:::::::::I > > > ---- > > > IXXXXXI---- + > > > ---- > > > IXXXXXI---- - > > > ---- IXXXXXI---- > > > ---- I:::::::::I---- > > > I -----I:::::::::I---- > > > I -----I:::::::::I---- > > > V -----I:::::::::I---- > > > _______________ -----I:::::::::I----___________________ > > > I<::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::>I > > > I<::::::::::more gas in pressure chaimber::::::::::::::::::::>I > > > I========================================I > > > I > > > HEAT I > > > I WATER VESSLE I > > > I > > > I > > > I______________________________________________I > > > V Waterturbine > > > V > > > V > > > V > > > V V > > > V V > > > __________V___________ > > > I I > > > I Electric generator I > > > I > > > I + > > > I_____________________I - > > > Ok i admit it is a steamship ;) > > > Well, build it. Then we know if she works :D > > I've been thinking some more about a inertial propulsion design. > > The system needs a cooler and an evaporator and a comressor/pump (and > of course an engine to drive it) mounted within a closed system > between two plates "basically a membran with a cold side and a warm > side. > > The thrust from the top mounted pump is directed downwards the lower > plate is a plate evaporator so no waterthrust actually reach the > plate. The vaporised steam raise the pressure inside membran and heat > to level by raising upwards upperplate. Above the pump is a pipecooler > connected to the upperplate and with a vessel connected to the pump > inlet valve. > > You get basicly a waterpiston directed downwards, with a right angle > recoil force upwards but the thrust force is leveled out into a > chaotic force by the vaporizer, where molecules pushing in every > direction and the plate will have a bigger force upwards to counteract > gravith and maybe levitate. > > JT Would inertial propulsion and antigravity also mean things like forcefields technologies would be possible? But there is no true antigravity just forces that do not cancel out, is that really inertial propulsion? I guess antigravity is not at all same as physic phenomen as inertial propulsion. Antigravity would seem to include some gravity shielding technology, and the flying fountain fridge would not have that, just unbalanced forces at work. JT
From: JT on 1 Nov 2009 07:16 On 25 Okt, 03:45, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 16 Sep, 18:32, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 12:06 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 13 Sep, 23:37, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > > > > > kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > > > > > recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > > > > > compressed gases? > > > > > > I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > > > > > pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > > > > This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > > > > of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > > > > scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > > > > introduced to him. > > > > > Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > > > > also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > > > > Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > > > > (god has purpose?) > > > > > [1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > > > > [2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > > > > _____ > > > > Heavier than air flying machines will be proven to be a hoax.http://blog.go-here.nl > > > > Of course the generated heat could be tranfered to actually help drive > > > the electromagnet and coil. > > > > I guess i was thinking abit about your idea Sue, decided to use the > > > momentum from recoil for accelleration and let the "bullet" be > > > transformed inot excited gasmolecules that that is pressurised by the > > > coil and is transformed into heat. > > > Below a crue ASCI sketch, doesn't really work in googles does it. > > > 1. Heavy metal surrounded by damper. > > > 2. Small gaschaimber under pressure used for damping between > > > metalcore > > > and coil, coil reach equibrillium between the two chambers when not > > > accelerated. > > > 3. The X represent coil in equilibrium by the pressure between two > > > gaschaimbers > > > 4. Second pressurised gaschaimber with heat exchange membran > > > (The coilseparated gaschaimbers resides within a iron tube, the > > > second > > > chaimber extends into a discshaped chaimber with a membran that > > > exchange pressurised gas into heat) > > > 5. Around the tube is a electromagnet similar to railguns to > > > accelerate the coil and exite the molecules into produce heat by > > > pressurize the gas. The smaller gaschaimber above do only serve as > > > piston a rubber damper when the electromagnetic pulse stops the two > > > gaschaimbers try to reach equillibrium between their pressure states. > > > 7. A water cistern/vessel against the heat exchanging material/mebran > > > 8 A water turbin where the high pressured water spin turbin and coles > > > of being redirected back to the watertank. > > > 9 A generator that redirects the produced energy to the > > > electromagnet. . > > > ++ > > > +++++ > > > ++++++ > > > MOTION > > > + > > > + > > > I-------------------------------I > > > I I > > > I I > > > I ( ( O ) ) I > > > I-------------------------------I > > > I::::::::.I > > > I:::::::::I > > > ---- > > > IXXXXXI---- + > > > ---- > > > IXXXXXI---- - > > > ---- IXXXXXI---- > > > ---- I:::::::::I---- > > > I -----I:::::::::I---- > > > I -----I:::::::::I---- > > > V -----I:::::::::I---- > > > _______________ -----I:::::::::I----___________________ > > > I<::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::>I > > > I<::::::::::more gas in pressure chaimber::::::::::::::::::::>I > > > I========================================I > > > I > > > HEAT I > > > I WATER VESSLE I > > > I > > > I > > > I______________________________________________I > > > V Waterturbine > > > V > > > V > > > V > > > V V > > > V V > > > __________V___________ > > > I I > > > I Electric generator I > > > I > > > I + > > > I_____________________I - > > > Ok i admit it is a steamship ;) > > > Well, build it. Then we know if she works :D > > I've been thinking some more about a inertial propulsion design. > > The system needs a cooler and an evaporator and a comressor/pump (and > of course an engine to drive it) mounted within a closed system > between two plates "basically a membran with a cold side and a warm > side. > > The thrust from the top mounted pump is directed downwards the lower > plate is a plate evaporator so no waterthrust actually reach the > plate. The vaporised steam raise the pressure inside membran and heat > to level by raising upwards upperplate. Above the pump is a pipecooler > connected to the upperplate and with a vessel connected to the pump > inlet valve. > > You get basicly a waterpiston directed downwards, with a right angle > recoil force upwards but the thrust force is leveled out into a > chaotic force by the vaporizer, where molecules pushing in every > direction and the plate will have a bigger force upwards to counteract > gravith and maybe levitate. > > JT- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - How much momentum does an ideal rubberball keep if it bounce against an ideal material, maybe rubberwall? Would the ball lose less momentum against a rubberwall then if thrown against a steelwall? Is all loss in momentum transfered to heat? What is the ideal material for keeping momentum after impact into another object? It surely is dependent on impact speed, but rubber seems to have interesting molecular properties it regains the shape after been deformed and can bounce again, any such metal? What happened to the development of exotic metals that regained shape if deformed in the 80's? JT
From: JT on 14 Nov 2009 08:22
On 25 Okt, 03:45, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 16 Sep, 18:32, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 12:06 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 13 Sep, 23:37, gabydewilde <gdewi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 13, 4:56 pm,JT<jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Noone even remotly tried to explain why a closed system that is > > > > > kinetically accelerated within can not result in momentum for the > > > > > recoil and thermal heat spreading over a membran for the accelerated > > > > > compressed gases? > > > > > > I do not speak of a fueled system the gases is not combusted, only > > > > > pressurized with exhited molecules exchangin heat. HEAT<------- > > > > > This[1] is the Heretic program about Eric Laithewaite towards the end > > > > of his career. It explains the battle he had trying to get the > > > > scientific community to accept or even investigate his ideas and those > > > > introduced to him. > > > > > Silly things like a gyroscope and a maglev train. I suppose he was > > > > also a heavier than air flying apparatus believer. > > > > > Eventually he defeats the establishment by giving a xmas lecture.[2] > > > > (god has purpose?) > > > > > [1] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/heretic.asp > > > > [2] -http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp > > > > > _____ > > > > Heavier than air flying machines will be proven to be a hoax.http://blog.go-here.nl > > > > Of course the generated heat could be tranfered to actually help drive > > > the electromagnet and coil. > > > > I guess i was thinking abit about your idea Sue, decided to use the > > > momentum from recoil for accelleration and let the "bullet" be > > > transformed inot excited gasmolecules that that is pressurised by the > > > coil and is transformed into heat. > > > Below a crue ASCI sketch, doesn't really work in googles does it. > > > 1. Heavy metal surrounded by damper. > > > 2. Small gaschaimber under pressure used for damping between > > > metalcore > > > and coil, coil reach equibrillium between the two chambers when not > > > accelerated. > > > 3. The X represent coil in equilibrium by the pressure between two > > > gaschaimbers > > > 4. Second pressurised gaschaimber with heat exchange membran > > > (The coilseparated gaschaimbers resides within a iron tube, the > > > second > > > chaimber extends into a discshaped chaimber with a membran that > > > exchange pressurised gas into heat) > > > 5. Around the tube is a electromagnet similar to railguns to > > > accelerate the coil and exite the molecules into produce heat by > > > pressurize the gas. The smaller gaschaimber above do only serve as > > > piston a rubber damper when the electromagnetic pulse stops the two > > > gaschaimbers try to reach equillibrium between their pressure states. > > > 7. A water cistern/vessel against the heat exchanging material/mebran > > > 8 A water turbin where the high pressured water spin turbin and coles > > > of being redirected back to the watertank. > > > 9 A generator that redirects the produced energy to the > > > electromagnet. . > > > ++ > > > +++++ > > > ++++++ > > > MOTION > > > + > > > + > > > I-------------------------------I > > > I I > > > I I > > > I ( ( O ) ) I > > > I-------------------------------I > > > I::::::::.I > > > I:::::::::I > > > ---- > > > IXXXXXI---- + > > > ---- > > > IXXXXXI---- - > > > ---- IXXXXXI---- > > > ---- I:::::::::I---- > > > I -----I:::::::::I---- > > > I -----I:::::::::I---- > > > V -----I:::::::::I---- > > > _______________ -----I:::::::::I----___________________ > > > I<::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::>I > > > I<::::::::::more gas in pressure chaimber::::::::::::::::::::>I > > > I========================================I > > > I > > > HEAT I > > > I WATER VESSLE I > > > I > > > I > > > I______________________________________________I > > > V Waterturbine > > > V > > > V > > > V > > > V V > > > V V > > > __________V___________ > > > I I > > > I Electric generator I > > > I > > > I + > > > I_____________________I - > > > Ok i admit it is a steamship ;) > > > Well, build it. Then we know if she works :D > > I've been thinking some more about a inertial propulsion design. > > The system needs a cooler and an evaporator and a comressor/pump (and > of course an engine to drive it) mounted within a closed system > between two plates "basically a membran with a cold side and a warm > side. > > The thrust from the top mounted pump is directed downwards the lower > plate is a plate evaporator so no waterthrust actually reach the > plate. The vaporised steam raise the pressure inside membran and heat > to level by raising upwards upperplate. Above the pump is a pipecooler > connected to the upperplate and with a vessel connected to the pump > inlet valve. > > You get basicly a waterpiston directed downwards, with a right angle > recoil force upwards but the thrust force is leveled out into a > chaotic force by the vaporizer, where molecules pushing in every > direction and the plate will have a bigger force upwards to counteract > gravith and maybe levitate. > > JT- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - Could you store the action energy causing the reactive netmomentum in a thermal loop? How does the sun generates its energy by nuclear fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium? Is it pressure of mass that cause the process of fusion, can gravity alone cause oscillation, does it mater if the sun have planets or not is it only size that matter? JT |