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From: MM on 6 May 2010 02:21 On Wed, 05 May 2010 18:43:59 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote: >dpb wrote: >> Karl E. Peterson wrote: >>> Henning wrote: >>>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> skrev ... >>>>> David Kaye wrote: >>>>>> "Larry Serflaten" <serflaten(a)usinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We would still need someone to provide 'free' access. I doubt my >>>>>>> provider offers NNTP, and from the sound of things, many other >>>>>>> major players are letting go also.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Eternal September provides free access. There are others as well. >>>>> >>>>> I just created an account with them, and all appeared to be going well. >>>>> Until I tried logging in. The credentials are being rejected. Do you >>>>> know if they're having problems at the moment? >>>> >>>> Same thing happened to me... I can login to my personal page, but not to >>>> the newsserver. :(( >>> >>> Yeah, I even logged in (on the web) and "changed" my password. No go over >>> nntp. >> >> I've had no trouble at any time all day today. >> >> What are you using as a client? I've been using Thunderbird and it was >> totally painless as far as I can recall when initially signed up. It's been >> long enough ago now I don't recall anything peculiar having to had to do... > >I'm using MesNews these days. But I couldn't even log in with >telnet... > >C:\>telnet news.eternal-september.org 119 > >200 news.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.6.0 >(20100424 snapshot) ready (posting ok) >authinfo user karlpeterson >381 Enter password >authinfo pass ********* >481 Invalid credentials >quit >205 Bye! > > >Connection to host lost. > >C:\> I have only ever used XNews and FreeAgent. I've tried several other newsreaders, but they were all pants. I still haven't found anything better than XNews, although some of its shortcomings are really tiresome. MM
From: MM on 6 May 2010 02:23 On Wed, 05 May 2010 12:35:50 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote: >F*CK MICROSOFT!!! (Someone had to say it...) I don't think you're the first. In fact, probably Gary Kildall was one of the first. MM
From: MM on 6 May 2010 02:25 On Wed, 5 May 2010 12:45:25 -0400, "Frisbee�" <discgolfdad(a)gEEmail.com> wrote: >Of couse, USENET itself is slowly dying, too. Dying? I don't think so! On the contrary XNews's author brought out a 64-bit version not so long ago, because some of the binary groups exceeded the 32-bit limit for message numbers. MM
From: MM on 6 May 2010 02:33 On Wed, 5 May 2010 16:49:30 -0400, "Jeff Johnson" <i.get(a)enough.spam> wrote: >"-mhd" <not_real(a)invalid.com> wrote in message >news:c9i3u5tgr7iopmg1c4qbhi8albabbce3tn(a)4ax.com... > >> It has been pointed out to me that MS also dropped NNTP support in Win7 >> (Outlook Express). > >Outlook Express was dropped in Vista in favor of Windows Mail. Sometimes people chuckle and look heavenwards when I admit to being a diehard Windows 98 user. Yet I'm still using ancient software in many other ways, too. I'm still using, f'rinstance, Eudora 5.1 in sponsored mode and have been for years. I always say, if something ain't broke, don't fix it. I'd still like to know what, exactly, all the bells and whistles in XP/Vista/Windows 7 do for productivity. And I still firmly believe that many small (6-person?) businesses DO NOT need a computer to run their business. They could do pretty much everything with typewriters, calculators and good old-fashioned brainwork. My late father, an accountant, could tot up a long list of numbers in his head. He was of course working long before calculators were introduced. We are slowly losing all that expertise. Nowadays, people, carnt spel, can't add up - and all that brain exercising that went on as a by-product of everyday living has largely disappeared as we now no longer need to think very much at all. MM
From: MM on 6 May 2010 02:39
On Thu, 06 May 2010 01:28:38 -0400, GS <GS(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >-mhd formulated on Wednesday : >> Karl E. Peterson <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote: >> >>> The final insult they had left to deliver... >>> >>> Q: When will this transition be complete? >>> >>> A: Microsoft is closing newsgroups in phases and anticipates completing >>> this by Fall 2010. >>> >>> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities >>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> >> It has been pointed out to me that MS also dropped NNTP support in Win7 >> (Outlook Express). -mhd > >Afaict: Windows Live Mail has a hybrid of Outlook Express, M$ Outlook, >and Live Messenger 'under the hood'. Seems that they just gave it a new >face and tacked on the Passport requirement. Doesn't require any >special sign-on to get news; -works same as OE <IMO>. It appears that >it also integrates Live Messenger and a bunch of other stuff that I >have no use for, but as far as I'm concerned it's no big dif from OE. >Maybe the Calendar has some value as it does in Mozilla's Tbird, but >Tbird is probably the easiest (and free) replacement out there for OE. > >As for the content of this thread: >I for one am most grateful to have been able to learn and grow in my >VB6 development endeavors through reading the posts in this NG. Y'all >will be sadly missed for sure. Please know that my sincere thanks goes >out to so many of y'all for the amazing amount of help your posts have >been. You may not know the extent of this since I tend to only ask Qs >when I can't find answers already posted here. > >Sadly, I feel I still have such a very long way to go yet and I fear >losing contact with many of you may be too much to bear. I hope a new >location can be established to keep Classic VB alive and well for some >time yet. Just a thought.., but how hard would it be for you, Karl, to >host a forum on your website? May sound daunting but your site is one >of the reasons that I got hooked on VB6 and so just seems to be the >right place if your ISP supports nntp. Anyway, -just a thought (however >wishful it may be!). > >I plan to stick with VB for as long as I continue to develop Excel apps >for clients. To be truthful, I was really miffed at M$ for the changes >introduced in MSO12. so mush so that I actually started to move away >from that platform and used VB6 and Farpoint's Spread as an >alternative. That said, if Classic VB dies I probably won't go with M$ >products anyway, but that depends how much longer I continue to work. >(I turn 60 in July and I'm severely handicapped with ALS, they say my >passion for my work is what keeps me going) > >Many of y'all have fueled that passion. I would be most upset if i >didn't get a chance to say THANKS! > >Kind regards, >Garry All very fair comment. Thinking, as I occasionally still do, about Microsoft's handling of classic Visual Basic, I would demand (were I American) of any future presidential candidate a new law that made it mandatory for any software company to provide support for 50 years once a certain number of the product had been sold, e.g. one million. And I would further make it the law that ALL the source code would have to be held in escrow in case the company went out of business. And further yet, if the company went bankrupt and no one came forward to buy the escrowed source code, it would be turned into open source. Yeah, I'd vote for someone who did something like that. MM |