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From: Karl E. Peterson on 6 May 2010 16:03 Henning wrote: > "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet > news:%23WbtAvK7KHA.3504(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Henning wrote: >>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> skrev ... >>>> David Kaye wrote: >>>>> "Larry Serflaten" <serflaten(a)usinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We would still need someone to provide 'free' access. I doubt my >>>>>> provider offers NNTP, and from the sound of things, many other >>>>>> major players are letting go also.... >>>>> >>>>> Eternal September provides free access. There are others as well. >>>> >>>> I just created an account with them, and all appeared to be going well. >>>> Until I tried logging in. The credentials are being rejected. Do you >>>> know if they're having problems at the moment? >>> >>> Same thing happened to me... I can login to my personal page, but not to >>> the newsserver. :(( >> >> Yeah, I even logged in (on the web) and "changed" my password. No go over >> nntp. > > Mailed their support last night (in europe), and today it's working. Guess I > will get me some payed4 account at giganews, who have very long times hosting > msgs, several years. For text only groups, the cheapest is good enough 5 > GB/mo $4.99. Their servers did finally sync up, and I appear to be in. I think I'll stick with free, for now. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: Karl E. Peterson on 6 May 2010 16:05 Mayayana wrote: >> They don't own it, they don't control it => they don't want it. >> So, once again, they set out to replace it with something "better". For >> whom? I've no idea. >> > > Imagine yourself as Steve Ballmer. You're > watching Steve Jobs seemingly going off the > deep end with a campaign of crazed autocracy. > Abusing Apple customers... Abusing developers... > > Yet Apple keeps making more and more money. > That evokes an image in my mind of Steve Ballmer > jumping up and down, moving in pogo-stick circles, > shouting "HOW DO THEY DO THAT?!" > > ....Well, monkey see, monkey do. :) LOL! That's just a precious image... :-D -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: Karl E. Peterson on 6 May 2010 16:08 Phill W. wrote: > On 06/05/2010 02:44, Karl E. Peterson wrote: > >>> Well I would never use Outlook Express either (I use Agent), but the >>> point is maybe MS knew a long time ago the writing was on the wall for >>> their commitment to nntp based groups and this has been in the works >>> for a quite a while. > > They don't own it, they don't control it => they don't want it. > So, once again, they set out to replace it with something "better". For > whom? I've no idea. Better for them, of course. They can have total control over the message *and* deliver ads! Not to mention build a marketing database of all the rubes who take part, that they can in turn sell to those buying the ads. Definitely better for them. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: RW on 6 May 2010 16:25 On Wed, 05 May 2010 12:55:51 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote: >Phill W. wrote: >> Personally, I detest Forums, simply because they're /so/ inefficient to >> browse through. With Thunderbird I can easily get 40+ threads in a single >> window and can scan over them with ease to find any that I might be able to >> help with. How many can you see at once with any of these waffly, webby, >> Forum things? > >Yep, that's why I won't use them. They are to inefficiency what >steroids are to performance. You get the kissasses with nothing better >to do providing "answers" and no one else really bothers. Why would >they? As you say, there's no reciprocity there. You can't browse >them, as you can these groups, gaining bits and pieces here and there. >It's all about the culture of *greed*, and it will devolve into only >the paid answer providers providing any answers at all. And how long before only *askers* who have paid for the privilege get to post a question? RW
From: Karl E. Peterson on 6 May 2010 16:30
RW wrote: > On Wed, 05 May 2010 12:55:51 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl(a)exmvps.org> > wrote: > >> Phill W. wrote: >>> Personally, I detest Forums, simply because they're /so/ inefficient to >>> browse through. With Thunderbird I can easily get 40+ threads in a single >>> window and can scan over them with ease to find any that I might be able to >>> help with. How many can you see at once with any of these waffly, webby, >>> Forum things? >> >> Yep, that's why I won't use them. They are to inefficiency what >> steroids are to performance. You get the kissasses with nothing better >> to do providing "answers" and no one else really bothers. Why would >> they? As you say, there's no reciprocity there. You can't browse >> them, as you can these groups, gaining bits and pieces here and there. >> It's all about the culture of *greed*, and it will devolve into only >> the paid answer providers providing any answers at all. > > And how long before only *askers* who have paid for the privilege get > to post a question? Probably depends on the adoption rate. If enough people come, so that they can sell enough ads, it may not make sense to turn them away. But if no one shows up, and they can't sell any ads, they'll be left with little choice to cover their costs. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org |