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From: Paul Clement on 7 May 2010 08:54 On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:59:49 +0100, "Mike Williams" <Mike(a)WhiskeyAndCoke.com> wrote: � > Oh now don't go getting angry Mike. I know it's difficult for � > you to convert your code but we'r there to help. . . . � � That's not anger, Clement, it's merely an honest observation. But of course � you would not understand the concept of honesty. One must experience honesty first before assessing the behavior in others. Of course you are angry or you wouldn't be ripping Microsoft at every opportunity or personally attacking me or others. It's disingenuous to call fact-less opinions and generally negative comments "observations". �If you wish to contine to � live in your own alternative make believe universe then go ahead, but I � would appreciate it if you did it somewhere else. Ah, but you've failed to realize that this *is* a part of my universe, just not what I've confined myself to, unlike you. But now I'm sad because a part of that will disappear, taking you and others with it. :-( � > Honest, no lies. � � Now now, Walter. Stop telling lies. � Oh but you failed to check the evidence so I shall help you again. http://social.msdn.micro$oft.com/fanboysclub/Forums/en-US/vbinterop/threads � > I'll even post a link so you can get the upgrade process rolling: � > � � But I'm not upgrading, Walter, and even if I were considering a move to � something else (which I am not) it would certainly not be anything that � Micro$oft has a hand in. Why because you're angry? It hasn't stopped you from hanging around in a Microsoft newsgroup for years, supporting a Microsoft product. � > Well I guess I was still holding out hope for you Mike. Silly me. But it's � > not � > really fair to call me stupid just because you're stuck and I'm not. � � I'm not stuck, Walter. You're the one who is stuck. You are locked onto the � Micro$oft carousel going round and round ever faster and being bumped about � by the grinning Micro$oft fairground gypsies and you can't get off :-) Oh you only say that because the carousel is leaving you behind. It's not too late though, you can still hop on... or sadly, sour grapes it will continue to be? Paul ~~~~ Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)
From: Mayayana on 7 May 2010 09:19 | Kerio v2.1 - very simple and effective | You didn't say anything about why you think that one's best. According to the tests I linked it doesn't filter outbound UDP and has other shortcomings in terms of malware getting around it. I wouldn't necessarily take Matousec as the last word, but they seem to be thorough and detailed in their testing, while I don't have the means or the expertise to perform such tests. When I was researching firewalls Matousec seemed to be well regarded and certainly had the most informative data. All I want is total, fine-grained control over all incoming and outgoing, which is what a firewall is supposed to do. But it seems that precious few of them can do it. :) I think Online Armor actually seems to be quite good -- a bit bloated and overproduced, but it does its job. The only part I don't like is the constant, pointless disk access. That can't be good for the life of the disk.
From: Bob Butler on 7 May 2010 09:19 "MM" <kylix_is(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:nod7u5hnk51inkjliva2odfct0o1uh26sj(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:03:45 -0700, "Bob Butler" <noway(a)nospam.ever> > But why? Because randomly confiscating private property is not the answer > They might be causing great financial hardship to millions of > coders, businesses and users, including (further) loss of employment > in the world's greatest recession since the 1930s. Choosing any vendor's product always carries the inherent risk that support will end. I think it was unelievably short-sighted and stupid for MS to drop VB given its widespread use but that was their decision. The recession was not caused by MS dropping VB and companies are still able to use VB so any financial hardship has been self-inflicted by making the (IMO) foolish decision to try to convert existing code. > I think desperate > times need desperate measures, That kind of thinking can be used to justify most anything. Truly desperate times can require desperate measures but having to switch to a new development platform hardly qualifies. Had MS needed a government rescue to survive the recession then I might agree that there would be justification for demanding concessions like you propose. If there was a sngle shred of evidence that releasing VB for further support and development would have a serious positive impact on the global recession then there would be reason to put a lot of public pressure on MS to take action but even then it'd have to be a major factor before dscussion of forcing the release would make sense to me. > The Dow lost 1000 points at one point > during the early hours. So something unexpected and as yet fully unexplained happening is cause to run riot and begin privatizing unrelated property? When the government can start randomly taking anything that some people want from others that have it then nobody's property is safe.
From: Mayayana on 7 May 2010 09:28 |> But their report on | > Avast also says it doesn't block all outbound traffic. | | I didn't think this was an issue since I know what the outbound content | is. For me a big part of a firewall's function is controlling outbound traffic. If all you need is to be invisible to inbound sniffing then Windows firewall may even be good enough for that. But outbound filtering is necessary to control 1) unrecognized malware that might get onto the system 2) spyware 3) undesired software updates 4) junk and snooping software that MS or others might have running. I originally discovered what RPC several years ago when I was using AtGuard. AtGuard had an adblocking function. (It was way ahead of its time.) If it missed an ad one could drag that ad to a rubbish barrel icon in order to train the filter. One day I saw an ad for MS Visual Studio. I accidentally used the wrong mouse button to drag it into the barrel. AtGuard then popped up and asked if I wanted to allow DCOM out! MS was apparently going to rummage around my system without asking me as part of bringing me to their advertising page.
From: Michael on 7 May 2010 10:06
If it doesn't filter outbound UDP, then its display of current filter rules is a bit of a fiction where it distinguishes the direction of any allowed protocol per application. I have used it here and on client PCs for 10 years or more without problem. Why I mentioned it was your preference for a lightweight firewall - which is exactly why I have stayed with that version of Kerio. Michael "Mayayana" <mayayana(a)invalid.nospam> wrote in message news:es0l2ee7KHA.5644(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | Kerio v2.1 - very simple and effective > | > > You didn't say anything about why you think > that one's best. According to the tests I linked > it doesn't filter outbound UDP and has other > shortcomings in terms of malware getting > around it. > I wouldn't necessarily take Matousec as the > last word, but they seem to be thorough and > detailed in their testing, while I don't have the > means or the expertise to perform such tests. > When I was researching firewalls Matousec > seemed to be well regarded and certainly had the > most informative data. > > All I want is total, fine-grained control over > all incoming and outgoing, which is what a firewall > is supposed to do. But it seems that precious > few of them can do it. :) > > I think Online Armor actually seems to be quite > good -- a bit bloated and overproduced, but it does > its job. The only part I don't like is the constant, > pointless disk access. That can't be good for the life > of the disk. > > |