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From: Ken Smith on 31 Dec 2006 13:37 In article <4584C7DD.D29B81BC(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Ken Smith wrote: [....] >> There are lots of people with lots of stated goals. The progress towards >> the destruction of western civilization has been made by the neocons not >> the Islamists. > >BAH makes the classic error of assuming Islamic extremism / Islamism has >a popular >and widespread base. Extremists of all sorts like to appear to be more popular than they are. This gives them more control over the situation than their true numbers would suggest. They also like to have an external threat to rally the troops against. When you have two extremist groups that claim to oppose each other, you can have the interesting situation of the two extremes helping each other. Each is given the external enemy it needs and will exagerate the danger of the other. This means that each side reenforces the claim of large support of the other. We can see this at work right now with the "Crusaders vs. Terrorists" battle. >It doesn't. Although the west can make it more popular by over-reacting >for sure. Change that "can" to "has" and you would also be correct. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 31 Dec 2006 13:49 In article <em3gds$8qk_001(a)s969.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: [....] >>Are you really denying people in America are being listened to? > >Some are but none of it is warrentless. This is flat wrong. Many americans have been and are being listened to without a warrent. Bush claims that no warrent is needed. [.....] >>The military commissions bill passed recently denies people held the writ of >>habeas corpus (check out what Sen. Spector had to say about it). > >Which people are denied? You are should you Bush happen to want you to be. > Be very specific. I don't care what >Spector said about it; there was a campaing and election going on. >There still is a campaign going on. You should care. It is the very things that have made the US a free country that are being lost. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: unsettled on 31 Dec 2006 14:14 Ken Smith wrote: > In article <em3gds$8qk_001(a)s969.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > [....] >>>Are you really denying people in America are being listened to? >>Some are but none of it is warrentless. > This is flat wrong. Many americans have been and are being listened to > without a warrent. Bush claims that no warrent is needed. Do you have some insight into what the activities are of the official US sleuthing business? Does the US constitution extend its protections beyond our borders? > [.....] >>>The military commissions bill passed recently denies people held the writ of >>>habeas corpus (check out what Sen. Spector had to say about it). >>Which people are denied? > You are should you Bush happen to want you to be. >> Be very specific. I don't care what >>Spector said about it; there was a campaing and election going on. >>There still is a campaign going on. > You should care. It is the very things that have made the US a free > country that are being lost. Then instead of simply talking about it you should be bringing a class action lawsuit.
From: Ken Smith on 31 Dec 2006 20:51 In article <d5c01$45980c28$49ecf63$3990(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Ken Smith wrote: >> In article <em3gds$8qk_001(a)s969.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >> [....] > >>>>Are you really denying people in America are being listened to? > >>>Some are but none of it is warrentless. > >> This is flat wrong. Many americans have been and are being listened to >> without a warrent. Bush claims that no warrent is needed. > >Do you have some insight into what the activities are of >the official US sleuthing business? Yes. > >Does the US constitution extend its protections beyond our >borders? Yes actual some of its protections do extend to people traveling outside the US. It doesn't matter in this case what ones, however, because this is not about something being done outside the borders. [....] >> You should care. It is the very things that have made the US a free >> country that are being lost. > >Then instead of simply talking about it you should be >bringing a class action lawsuit. Unfortunately, it is very hard to do anything like that in this case until it is too late. Bush has asserted that he has the right to grab people off the street and hold them incomunicado. Until he acts on the claim it is very hard to sue. When he does, it bcomes imposible. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: jmfbahciv on 1 Jan 2007 08:05
In article <d5c01$45980c28$49ecf63$3990(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Ken Smith wrote: >> In article <em3gds$8qk_001(a)s969.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >> [....] > >>>>Are you really denying people in America are being listened to? > >>>Some are but none of it is warrentless. > >> This is flat wrong. Many americans have been and are being listened to >> without a warrent. Bush claims that no warrent is needed. > >Do you have some insight into what the activities are of >the official US sleuthing business? > >Does the US constitution extend its protections beyond our >borders? This is the crux of the matter. It amazes me that the anti-Bush people insist that all have to follow our Constitution yet hide behind the European nationalist skirts when it comes to paying for it. The US anti-Bushers seem to want European law rather than US Constituional law. > >> [.....] > >>>>The military commissions bill passed recently denies people held the writ of >>>>habeas corpus (check out what Sen. Spector had to say about it). > >>>Which people are denied? > >> You are should you Bush happen to want you to be. > >>> Be very specific. I don't care what >>>Spector said about it; there was a campaing and election going on. >>>There still is a campaign going on. > >> You should care. It is the very things that have made the US a free >> country that are being lost. > >Then instead of simply talking about it you should be >bringing a class action lawsuit. To use the US Constitutional rights would undermine their claim. This one of those ironies that is beyond bizarre w.r.t. their illogic. /BAH |