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From: mmeron on 20 Dec 2006 11:24 In article <embl29$8qk_002(a)s1125.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >In article <d3c19$4589532d$49ecf11$27638(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>snip >> >>> Yes. What has been happening in Mass. is that these politicians >>> are not honoring the tax mandates we've given them. Only >>> time will tell, if our newly elected governor fulfills his >>> promise and completely eliminates the property tax mandate >>> we passed 20? years ago. >>> >>> /BAH >> >>Sounds like they're leading instead of being obedient employees. > >No. They are going off into a different direction. There is no >leading involved. > Off course there is. It is their will that is being done. Thus, they're leading. Period. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: jmfbahciv on 21 Dec 2006 09:24 In article <Isdih.23$i5.100(a)news.uchicago.edu>, mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >In article <embl29$8qk_002(a)s1125.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >>In article <d3c19$4589532d$49ecf11$27638(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>snip >>> >>>> Yes. What has been happening in Mass. is that these politicians >>>> are not honoring the tax mandates we've given them. Only >>>> time will tell, if our newly elected governor fulfills his >>>> promise and completely eliminates the property tax mandate >>>> we passed 20? years ago. >>>> >>>> /BAH >>> >>>Sounds like they're leading instead of being obedient employees. >> >>No. They are going off into a different direction. There is no >>leading involved. >> >Off course there is. It is their will that is being done. Thus, >they're leading. Period. hhmmm.....Are we talking about two kinds of leading? A group of people who sit in the legislature and repeatedly, as a group, ignore voters' mandates is not leading the voters. /BAH
From: unsettled on 21 Dec 2006 10:39 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <Isdih.23$i5.100(a)news.uchicago.edu>, > mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >>In article <embl29$8qk_002(a)s1125.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >>>In article <d3c19$4589532d$49ecf11$27638(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>snip >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yes. What has been happening in Mass. is that these politicians >>>>>are not honoring the tax mandates we've given them. Only >>>>>time will tell, if our newly elected governor fulfills his >>>>>promise and completely eliminates the property tax mandate >>>>>we passed 20? years ago. >>>>> >>>>>/BAH >>>> >>>>Sounds like they're leading instead of being obedient employees. >>> >>>No. They are going off into a different direction. There is no >>>leading involved. >>> >> >>Off course there is. It is their will that is being done. Thus, >>they're leading. Period. > > > hhmmm.....Are we talking about two kinds of leading? A group > of people who sit in the legislature and repeatedly, as a group, > ignore voters' mandates is not leading the voters. Whether you're following voluntarily or not, you're following. To opt out you'd have to leave.
From: mmeron on 21 Dec 2006 12:59 In article <eme5fi$8qk_007(a)s862.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >In article <Isdih.23$i5.100(a)news.uchicago.edu>, > mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >>In article <embl29$8qk_002(a)s1125.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >>>In article <d3c19$4589532d$49ecf11$27638(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>snip >>>> >>>>> Yes. What has been happening in Mass. is that these politicians >>>>> are not honoring the tax mandates we've given them. Only >>>>> time will tell, if our newly elected governor fulfills his >>>>> promise and completely eliminates the property tax mandate >>>>> we passed 20? years ago. >>>>> >>>>> /BAH >>>> >>>>Sounds like they're leading instead of being obedient employees. >>> >>>No. They are going off into a different direction. There is no >>>leading involved. >>> >>Off course there is. It is their will that is being done. Thus, >>they're leading. Period. > >hhmmm.....Are we talking about two kinds of leading? No, at most of degrees, but not of separate kinds. > A group of people who sit in the legislature and repeatedly, as a group, >ignore voters' mandates is not leading the voters. > But it certainly does. As I said, it is their will that is being done. That's leading. You may say that this is, in the long run, a less effective way than this of actively convincing the voters to support what the leaders want, that it may eventually backfire etc. etc. Granted. A boss who can manage to convince his underlings to follow his plans enthusiastically is a better boss than the one who just forces them to do it, against their judgement. But both are bosses. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: unsettled on 21 Dec 2006 19:47
mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > In article <eme5fi$8qk_007(a)s862.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >>In article <Isdih.23$i5.100(a)news.uchicago.edu>, >> mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >> >>>In article <embl29$8qk_002(a)s1125.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >> >>>>In article <d3c19$4589532d$49ecf11$27638(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>snip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Yes. What has been happening in Mass. is that these politicians >>>>>>are not honoring the tax mandates we've given them. Only >>>>>>time will tell, if our newly elected governor fulfills his >>>>>>promise and completely eliminates the property tax mandate >>>>>>we passed 20? years ago. >>>>>> >>>>>>/BAH >>>>> >>>>>Sounds like they're leading instead of being obedient employees. >>>> >>>>No. They are going off into a different direction. There is no >>>>leading involved. >>>> >>> >>>Off course there is. It is their will that is being done. Thus, >>>they're leading. Period. >> >>hhmmm.....Are we talking about two kinds of leading? > > > No, at most of degrees, but not of separate kinds. > > >>A group of people who sit in the legislature and repeatedly, as a group, >>ignore voters' mandates is not leading the voters. >> > > But it certainly does. As I said, it is their will that is being > done. That's leading. You may say that this is, in the long run, a > less effective way than this of actively convincing the voters to > support what the leaders want, that it may eventually backfire etc. > etc. Granted. A boss who can manage to convince his underlings to > follow his plans enthusiastically is a better boss than the one who > just forces them to do it, against their judgement. But both are > bosses. Leader: a person who rules or guides or inspires others drawing card: a featured article of merchandise sold at a loss in order to draw customers wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn |