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From: Ken Smith on 11 Jan 2007 10:10 In article <0t2bq25sp60ho3tedkj697i7rspuqbssq8(a)4ax.com>, MassiveProng <MasiveProng(a)yourhiney.org> wrote: >On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:46:50 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net >(Ken Smith) Gave us: > >>In article <qmj9q2tjq5eg54qilhj8t4chc8ncbpbjhp(a)4ax.com>, >>MassiveProng <MasiveProng(a)yourhiney.org> wrote: >>>On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken >>>Smith) Gave us: >>[....] >>>>But, in this case I don't think it is. The connection is needed. Even a >>>>lawyer should be able to understand that. >>>> >>> >>> The connection is already present, dingledorf. >> >>So you are saying that the warrantless wire tap has already happened and >>this somehomw makes it ok. This is completely bogus. The US government >>forced the installation of equipment "to make wire tapping possible" in >>modern systems. This was deemed not to be a wire tap until it was >>activated. The activation would require a warrant. > > The warrant was granted on 09/11/01. No, it wasn't. There was no warrant then and there still isn't. > > We are at war. We have been at war since the bombing in Somalia in >1998, but we just didn't know it yet. It may take yet another attack, >before retarded twits like you ever garner a clue, however. By that standard, every country is always at war. This is how the US will be destroyed. People like you will give up everything that makes the US the shining example to others over a false claim of some danger. We could get all the electrical power we need by hooking generators to the graves of the previous generations that fought and died for the right you will give away. Right now the US has a pack of chicken littles running around saying "the sky is falling" and then questioning the loyalty of anyone who expresses doubt over it. The fear is being exploited as a tool of gaining political power. The aim of those using fear is to turn the US into a tyranny, and this being a political aim makes them the true terrorists. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 11 Jan 2007 10:18 In article <eo5c66$8qk_002(a)s814.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: [....] >They are not oblivious; these people are still thinking in >the old ways. No, they are simply unwilling to allow the wrong word to be applied to the situation. If you control the language, you control the debate. By calling something "a war", you are claiming certain things are true about it. If the thing being called "a war" doesn't really have those characteristics, using the term can lead to confusion. The US can't send troops against this new enemy and force them to surrender. They don't have a capital city to bomb. Basically "the tools of war" are useless against them. This makes it far better to not refer to it as a war so people don't get confused about what is going on. The real deanger to the US is not from a small group of people outside who wish to destroy it. They have no chance at all of doing so. The US is far to strong to be fell in such a way. The real threat is an internal one where the US commits suicide by giving up the things that make it the US of today. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 11 Jan 2007 10:21 In article <a1cb9$45a50faf$cdd085b4$27856(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Ken Smith wrote: [...] >Pen recorders without warrant were always legal. They're not >needed any longer with digital switching and the extent of >accounting records that are todays normal way of doing business. Those weren't "government pen recorders". I am fairly certain that the government needed a warrant to force the phone company to show them. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 11 Jan 2007 10:22 In article <59dc4$45a56ac4$cdd08595$30848(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> In article <a1cb9$45a50faf$cdd085b4$27856(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>>Pen recorders without warrant were always legal. > >> What? The gov't monitoring a call was NEVER legal w/o a warrant. > >Better hurry up and tell the Supreme Court they're wrong then. No he's right. Note that you are trying to rebut it with things about actions of the phone company and not the government. > >"Pen registers are regularly employed 'to determine whether >a home phone is being used to conduct a business, to check >for a defective dial, or to check for overbilling.'" > >"Although most people may be oblivious to a pen register's >esoteric functions, they presumably have some awareness of >one common use: to aid in the identification of persons >making annoying or obscene calls." > ><http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=442&page=735> > -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 11 Jan 2007 10:29
In article <213bq21kvcs2ohv4mo44h037ojvnmdksc2(a)4ax.com>, MassiveProng <MasiveProng(a)yourhiney.org> wrote: >On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net >(Ken Smith) Gave us: > >>So, if I hook a tape recorder, a speaker, a transmitter or anything else >>it is still a "tap". The fact that a computer is involved, makes not one >>bit of difference. > > > Wrong. The items you listed require a human to listen. Wrong. You don't have to have a person listen to a tape recording. The recording could be just thrown away or processed by a machine. The warrant is needed to make the recording so that is the point at which the law applies not at the point where the human listens. > The computer >can listen, without infringing on privacy, No, it can't. [....] > You do know what the word thwart mean, right? In your case it means "I can put a $5 word in with my $0.25 opinion" and nothing more. You seem to somehow think that adding insults makes your case stronger. All it really does is show that you are not certain of your position and wish to hide the weakness. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge |