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From: unsettled on 24 Jan 2007 17:07 T Wake wrote: >>These people take years to plan their attacks. And you think 30 days >>is too long?! > Yes. You dont know what you are talking about here, you just felt the need > to throw in a soundbite. > How long do *you* think a suspected criminal should be detained before he or > she is charged with a crime? Arrest is under probable cause, not merely suspicion. >>They don't care about jail. > Incorrect. How do you know? >>Most see it as a recruitment opportunity. > False assumption. How do you know? >>You keep assuming that these people are deterred by Western >>civilization laws and the punishments associated with breaking >>them. You have an invalid assumption. > Nonsense. I have to ask this. Are you by any chance a Muslim?
From: unsettled on 24 Jan 2007 17:09 Ken Smith wrote: > In article <ep7p0e$8qk_003(a)s899.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > [.....] > >>They don't care about jail. > > > Yes they do. They don't want to die of old age in prison. There's more than one path to martyrdom.
From: Phil Carmody on 24 Jan 2007 17:49 Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > T Wake wrote: > > > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > > > > Especially if the action that criminal is planning will result > > > in killing thousands and shutting down your metro system. > > > Or something else just as deadly. > > > > You conflate justice with revenge. > > This seems to be a very American trait. According to soundbites from Inigo Montoya Bush, it's not just a trait, it's policy. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Eeyore on 24 Jan 2007 18:06 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > The Demon Prince of Absurdity wrote: > >> T Wake did the cha-cha, and screamed: > >> > > >> > You claim the courts can not be used because judges may have an agenda, > >> > but secretive military systems are ok because there is no chance they > >> > will..... > >> > > >> > Can you see how crackpot this is? > >> > >> Why, what's so crackpot about complaining about judges with hidden > >> agendas and demanding that military judges who are accountable to no one > >> outside the military try accused terrorists in secret? Apart from > >> apparently wanting to make it easier for conspiracies to form and > >> operate, that is. > > > > No such problems exist in the UK. > > > > You'd better put your own house in order I reckon. > > I suspect you have missed the element of sarcasm which runs through the > post. I've obviously spent too long talking to BAH ! Graham
From: Eeyore on 24 Jan 2007 18:10
unsettled wrote: > Ken Smith wrote: > > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > > I said: > >>>In the UK you can't buy yourself out of jail by posting a bail bond. It's > >>down to the police themselves in simple cases and a judge in more serious > cases > >> whether bail will be offered. > >> > >>What if your judge has your opinion that there isn't any serious > >>threats by these terrorists? > > > > In that case, chances are he is right. In England, however, the person is > > still likely to be remanded (held) pending the trial. The trial will > > happen soon there after. Bail is less frequent in the UK than in the US. > > On a serious charge, the judge is not as likely to offer it. > > > >>>Terrorists would clearly be held ( and are so in fact ) on remand pending > >>their trial. > >> > >>But only if your police can gather enough evidence to prove there > >>is a likelihood of guilt. I think London escaped a mess by the > >>skin of their teeth. > > > > If the police don't have enough evidence, the person is not very likely to > > be in front of the judge in the first place. The police don't go around > > arresting people at random. > > Read about probable cause. The threshold to arrest is > less than the threshold to indict is less than the > threshold to convict. No such thing as 'probable cause' in the UK. When someone's charged with an offence they expect to be able to convict btw. Graham |