From: Phil Carmody on
unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> writes:
> Phil Carmody wrote:
> > an externally generated NMI, synchronised with the horizontal flyback?
> > Of course, you'd not have enough time during he vertical flyback to
> > actually chage much of the "screen", surely?
>
> Nomenclature lesson: retrace

It was a bleedin' telly - it was flying back.

Phil
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From: MassiveProng on
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 23:35:54 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com>
Gave us:

>Eeyore wrote:
>
>>
>> unsettled wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Glad to see you took another dump in these
>>>newsgroups. Its a good thing you do it so
>>>well because it is obvious you don't do much else.
>>
>>
>> That's a curious way to admit defeat !
>>
>> It's sort of thing one might expect from management of course.
>
>Ah, you're a comedian. I don't know if a brain
>transplant will be enough after all.
>
You really don't have very much in the magazine to volley with, do
you, twit?

You talk a real good one in political matters (maybe), but you get
all flustered on technical arguments.

Run away, little girl... again.

Your appeal has been denied, like you knew it would be.
From: MassiveProng on
On 04 Feb 2007 12:39:17 +0200, Phil Carmody
<thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> Gave us:

>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes:
>> unsettled wrote:
>> > MassiveProng wrote:
>> > > A computer takes what we call DATA, and performs computational tasks
>> > > on it to turn it into what we call INFOrmation.
>> > >
>> > > There is a difference, and you and BAH obviously do not know what
>> > > that difference is.
>> > >
>> > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/microcontroller
>> > >
>> > > http://m-w.com/dictionary/microcontroller
>> > >
>> > > Neither mention the word computer at all.
>> >
>> > An electronic device for the storage and processing of information.
>> > www.micro2000uk.co.uk/hardware_glossary.htm
>>
>> I suggest you consider the difference between general purpose and embedded.
>>
>> Can BAH's stove print "Hello world" for example ?
>
>As someone who's just quit a gig at a very big name semiconductor
>company which makes everything from milliwatt 8-bits to fire-breathing
>64-bit processors, I have to just say
>
>THIS BRANCH OF THE THREAD IS NOT WORTH GOING DOWN.
>
>Everything's shades of grey, and where people chose to draw
>the line between black and white is almost completely arbitrary.
>
>Notably, I'm not even going to tell you where on that scale I
>view 'computer' to become an inappropriate term.
>
>Phil


The product must perform computational tasks, not merely hard switch
management. I don't think there is any fuzzy logic AI running in an
oven MPU.
From: MassiveProng on
On Sun, 04 Feb 07 12:51:27 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us:

>In article <8qm9s2t5d9ckmqrdn8lvm0ifachcbf8vo5(a)4ax.com>,
> MassiveProng <MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>>On Sat, 03 Feb 07 13:46:02 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us:
>>
>>>In article <mgo7s21ckoee6om4d5c05vj9rr8pjfi78h(a)4ax.com>,
>>> MassiveProng <MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 02 Feb 07 14:04:45 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <8e65s297p2fs3tfodc3mk1rmqu2phstukv(a)4ax.com>,
>>>>> MassiveProng <MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, 01 Feb 07 12:46:52 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It isn't the burners. It is the computer board in the stove that
>>>>>>>is bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stove has a clock, a cooking timer, and maybe some thermal probe
>>>>>>monitoring ports. That isn't a computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>It has one board.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which incorporates all the items I listed above. Being a single
>>>>board STILL does NOT make it a computer.
>>>>
>>>> Nice attempt at a sidestep, though.
>>>
>>>You have the term "computer" and "computer system" confused.
>>>They are not equivalent terms.
>>>
>>>/BAH
>>
>> A controller board that incorporates all the sensors mentioned and
>>the timers and clock, are not a computer, NOR are they a computer
>>system. It is a micro-controller, nothing more.
>>
>> You sit in front of a dumb (or smart) terminal connected to a remote
>>computer.
>>
>> Those are two elements of a computer system.
>>
>> Embedded micro-controller circuitry for hardware is NOT a computer.
>>
>> No calculations have to be made. Nothing got computed. Not a
>>computer.
>
>Most of the code I wrote didn't do calculations. Most of OS
>code simply moves bits without error.
>
>
>> Try again, please. Just so you know, the definition put up by the
>>unsettledTard is not correct either.
>
>He will have a slightly different definition of a computer because
>of the applications his business had to use.
>


Oh boy! You must have consulted with one of your bit gods, because
you have now jumped from "everything has/is a computer." to "Everyone
defines 'computer' differently".

Make up your mind.
From: MassiveProng on
>
>Most of the code I wrote didn't do calculations. Most of OS
>code simply moves bits without error.
>

ALL computing IS math at the electrical level. Shifted registers,
etc. ALL math.

The difference in the definition revolves around function, and
purpose.

An MPU that runs a motor is NOT a computer, and if said MPU was the
i80186, which was one of the heaviest use chips for a long time in the
industrial control realm. That chip CNA be incorporated into a device
which we would call a computer. If, however, it is merely
incorporated into a device meant to print on boxes as they pass under,
it would not be a computer. More accurately a controller, which is
the term being used.

If you read and comprehend, you MIGHT get it... finally.