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From: krw on 6 Mar 2007 10:11 In article <esijhk$9en$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net says... > In article <MPG.2056422472aa66b398a06f(a)news.individual.net>, > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >In article <eshesp$8qk_004(a)s787.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > >> In article <eshe15$l1t$5(a)blue.rahul.net>, > >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: > >> >In article <MPG.2055feeb3db1e22498a066(a)news.individual.net>, > >> >krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >> >[....] > >> >>Much of the "controller" is on the chipset these days, oh > >> >>MassivelyWrong one. > >> > > >> >I know that appearing to agree with MissingProng is a strong indication of > >> >error but there is a point that I would like to make here. > >> > > >> >Way back in the mists of time, there was electronics for disk drives we > >> >called the "controller". This electronics was much simpler than the > >> >electronics used related to disk drives today. > >> > >> And one controller could have many devices hanging off it. > >> Apparently, that doesn't happen at the moment. From your > >> descriptions, it appears there a 1::1 restriction. > > > >SCSI controllers can have several devices hanging off them. > > "SCSI controller" usually refers to the stuff that is making the SCSI > interface go. This shouldn't really be included in the "disk drive > controller" term. Sorry, that's what they're called. ...perhaps just to keep MassivelyWrong confused. > Things other than disk drives have been hung off SCSI > interfaces. Tape drives would be the simplest example of this. The SCSI > bus has to be general enough that such things can be done. And other things, like "SCSI controllers". ;-) -- Keith
From: krw on 6 Mar 2007 10:17 In article <esjjoe$8ss_002(a)s931.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > In article <MPG.2056422472aa66b398a06f(a)news.individual.net>, > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >In article <eshesp$8qk_004(a)s787.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > >> In article <eshe15$l1t$5(a)blue.rahul.net>, > >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: > >> >In article <MPG.2055feeb3db1e22498a066(a)news.individual.net>, > >> >krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >> >[....] > >> >>Much of the "controller" is on the chipset these days, oh > >> >>MassivelyWrong one. > >> > > >> >I know that appearing to agree with MissingProng is a strong indication of > >> >error but there is a point that I would like to make here. > >> > > >> >Way back in the mists of time, there was electronics for disk drives we > >> >called the "controller". This electronics was much simpler than the > >> >electronics used related to disk drives today. > >> > >> And one controller could have many devices hanging off it. > >> Apparently, that doesn't happen at the moment. From your > >> descriptions, it appears there a 1::1 restriction. > > > >SCSI controllers can have several devices hanging off them. There > >are two interfaces per parallel ATA port. Things get a little > >complicated, depending on exactly what variety of ATA port one is > >talking about though. At it's simplest ATA is just a buffer from the > >8086 bus. Later devices have fully independent busmastering DMA disk > >ports. > > For some reason, I thought SCSI was daisy chained which isn't > a win for some kinds of gear setups. SCSI is normally Multi-drop, not daisy chained. There can be eight or sixteen drops on the cable. Some variants (e.g. Fibre Channel) use other topologies (ring or switched) but basic SCSI is a multi-dropped cable. > >> >Today, there is a lot more electronics included in the term "controller" > >> >mostly because we didn't create a new term to cover the new stuff. The > >> >bulk of work of the controller of old is now done by the disk drive but > >> >mother board chip set now has a bunch of this new work to do. The IDE was > >> >the point where the mother board electronics was the simplest. > >> > > >> >I believe that this disagrees with what MissingProng has had to say on > >> >this subject but should it turn out to agree with him in full or in part, > >> >I will retract it immediately. > >> > >> The term for this paragraph is "disclaimer". > > > >;-) > > > > I still have ours in my head..."this is not to be construed > as a committment of Digital...." > > When used in front of a DECUS session, it always got a laugh. > "All warranties and guarantees are void upon payment of invoice." ;-) -- Keith
From: Tony Lance on 6 Mar 2007 12:49 Big Bertha Thing pin-wheel Cosmic Ray Series Possible Real World System Constructs http://web.onetel.com/~tonylance/pinwheel.html Access page JPG 17K Image Astrophysics net ring access site Newsgroup Reviews including talk.politics.guns Detail from frontspiece painting showing, so called pin-wheel rickshaw Caption;- A Chinese Street From the book The World and Its People Asia With Special Reference to British Possessions Published by Thomas Nelson and Sons 1903 Without Author or Editor Name (C) Copyright Tony Lance 1998 Distribute complete and free of charge to comply. Big Bertha Thing china There is an old chinese curse, which goes "Live in interesting times." In which times, they used to get their heads chopped off. They used to go around saying "Thats not so good, thats not so funny or thats not so interesting." There was a nation of them, now some 1 billion strong. There are even bigger numbers in OUSA Classical Particle Conf., such as 227879226 photons in an electron. Every one should have one. Tony Lance judemarie(a)bigberthathing.co.uk From: Tony Lance <judemarie(a)bigberthathing.co.uk> Newsgroups: swnet.sci.astro,sci.chem Subject: Re: Big Bertha Thing mayor Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:34:45 +0000 Tuesday, November 18, 1997 04:12:46 PM Message From: Pam Scruton Subject: Re: archivist To: Tony Lance Hi Tony ++++++ I'm afraid you are going to have to take me through all this very slowly - I did say my last Physics was A level some 30+ years ago didn't I? In answer to your question, yes I'm happy to be archivist - my 486 'boasts' a reasonable amount of hard disk space and I could allocate about 500MB to the job with as many backup 100MB floppies (on a zip drive) as is necessary. I'm a bit puzzled about the email and password bit - do you mean that I should log on as AML34 with your password and download your mail and files? I'm not terribly comfortable with that idea - I would much rather you forward the relevant messages and attachments to me rather than I should find myself reading all your mail. Or perhaps it might be better to set up a closed subconference, one that can only be accessed by your volunteers and I would get archive the files from there. Or you can ask people to copy them to me or mail them to me directly. Have a think and let me know - I would rather not mess around with your mailbox - I'm pretty sure it's against the rules anyway! Next ++++ I have downloaded and run the Pastures software and there are lots of things I don't understand (probably because I don't exactly understand the physics - and I'm not even going to try to do that right now - although I think I understand what your goal is). First thing I didn't understand was why working through the Worked Example for Option 1 - the seven-hour bit took my machine about 20 minutes. So either I'm missing something fairly fundamental or there is a much bigger speed differential between a 386 and a 486DX-66 than I would have thought! Then as Option 4 in the Worked example was next, I tried that, but it didn't work - presumably because it shouldn't be next, it should be after Option 3? When you refer to 'Edit particle.dat' are you referring to the Dos Edit command or are you using the term Edit more loosely than that? Anyway, having made a miserable attempt at running the examples I decided that I really need my hand held on this one. I'm afraid that perhaps your documentation steps just aren't quite small enough for me. Would it be too much trouble to go over it again at half speed? If it would and I can't be of much help to you running the damn thing, I will still happily act as archivist because I am now quite intrigued by it all! Cheers for now Pam PS I don't understand your Big Bertha messages either - and I've heard of Serpico, there was a not very good film made about the case a few years ago that has been doing the rounds on Sky. PPS: Did you ever get Philip Sims on board? You certainly managed to alienate a few mods though didn't you? <<<Grin>>> Cheers once more Pam
From: MassiveProng on 6 Mar 2007 19:38 On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:07:00 -0600, "nonsense(a)unsettled.com" <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> Gave us: >It is a hard disk controller and more, a superset rather >than "something different" that you'd prefer to make it. It is a bus controller that becomes a hard drive controller per se once hard drives are included on its bus.
From: MassiveProng on 6 Mar 2007 19:39
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:07:00 -0600, "nonsense(a)unsettled.com" <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> Gave us: > >The IDE connection supports CD drives as well as CR-R and >CD-RW drives. IDE can also support tape drives designed >for that purpose. Think Travan. Only if they are manufactured with an IDE interface. D'oh! Stupid link snipped ><flush> your argument. Tell your doctor that the lobotomy wasn't fully successful, dipshit. He should also up your Lithium doses. |