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From: mmeron on 28 Mar 2007 16:15 In article <10ed8$460ab1d4$cdd08582$9441(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, "nonsense(a)unsettled.com" <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> writes: >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> In article <eudhu8$8qk_002(a)s970.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >>>In article <eXUNh.7$25.85(a)news.uchicago.edu>, mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > > >>> etc. > >>>>>>>>Yes, exactly. Humans will go to enormous lengths to deny evidence >>>>>>>>conflicting with their beliefs. The Western European intelligentsia >>>>>>>>denied all evidence of Stalin's brutality after WWII, and there was >>>>>>>>plenty of evidence present. > >>>>>>>Eleanor Roosevelt seems to have helped promote that rosy picture. > >>>>>>Yes, very much so. > >>>>>I still haven't figured her out. > >>>>Well meaning and extremely naive. > >>>Yea, I need to read more about her time spent in the UN. I want >>>to see how much influence her attitude had with its welfare >>>attitude to the Third World. > >> Hmm, good question, worth studying. > >We have only to look at the robber barons of the US and the >history of United Fruit in order to understand how and why >the next generation of the wealthy acquired the values they >did.[1] By comparison, theoretical socialism looked pretty good >to them. But then, they had never worked an honest day in >their lives, having no understanding how the wealth they >enjoyed was created, let alone how to actually improve the >economic environment without destroying it. The lessons of >1929 did not take among them, it required more practical >people to change the economic landscape to prevent repetition. > Yes, you can say that "their heart was in the right place but with no mind to guide it". And the business of never having to work in their lives is big part of it. The term used in Europe at same time frame for their likes was "salon communists". Young people from well to do families, long on zeal, short on understanding. >Eleanor was only one voice among the many impractical ideologues >of her age. "We need a change" wasn't new at last fall's US >elections. People are generally raised with the nagging lesson >in the back of their minds, "Leave the world a better place." > >For the most part they're incapable of that sort of significance. And, for the most part, they've problem with accepting their lack of significance. Mankind always had problem with this. Few brave souls, like Ecclesiastes, were willing to look facts in the face, but they were a small minority. Also, in the past religion made bearing this burden easier, by assuring everybody that yes, he is significant, being part of God's plan. I don't think that it is completely accidental that historically the rapid growth of the various "isms" which we have with us today coincided with rapid decline in the standing of religion (mind you, I'm not saying that there is a causative relationship here, but I perceive a correlation). > >We see it here in sci.physics as well, with some people wanting >change for its own sake without understanding the underpinnings >of why the present theories work, perhaps where a tweak might >lead to progress. Aha. I refer to it as "the modern art approach to science". > >Eleanor was no different. > >For extra points: How different was the Eleanor ideology from >today's "We have mistreated those poor Muslims for a long >time so they were forced to attack us. Now we need to be >nicer to them and they'll come around and be nice to us."? Yes, it is quite similar. And the funny thing about these attitudes is that, while on the surface being very considerate, they are actually quite egocentric. The unstated assumption behind them is that we're the drivers of all that's happening in the world, with others just reacting to what we're doing, having no plans, wishes and agendas of their own. > >[1] Europe's colonialism was just beginning to cost more than >it helped mother countries, except, of course, the gold and >diamond mines of South Africa. Banking and investment had >destroyed Europe's feudal system in the prior century. The >peasant class, which despite many valid complaints had over >generations becomes used to being looked after from cradle >to grave, wanted better conditions. The masses had eager >ears for the socialist theory being spread among them by >well wishers. The benefice of socialism rivaled their >feudal serf status with many promised improvements over >the past. Yes, it ought to be realized that the world has seen far greater social and economic change over the past two centuries, than over the previous two millenia. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: MooseFET on 29 Mar 2007 09:03 On Mar 28, 11:21 am, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demun...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: [.....] > Back in January she was unable to read posts longer than about > 100 lines. [.....] > The only reasonable conclusion is that, as always it seems, > BAH was spewing lies. She may not know. Given that she operates largely on superstitions on such subjects, this theory also fits the facts.
From: Phil Carmody on 29 Mar 2007 09:13 "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> writes: > On Mar 28, 11:21 am, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demun...(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > [.....] > > Back in January she was unable to read posts longer than about > > 100 lines. > [.....] > > The only reasonable conclusion is that, as always it seems, > > BAH was spewing lies. > > She may not know. > > Given that she operates largely on superstitions on such subjects, > this theory also fits the facts. Ah - she's fixed her cooker's dodgy connection now, and her newsreader now works. Makes perfect BAHsense! Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: MassiveProng on 30 Mar 2007 00:25 On 29 Mar 2007 06:03:59 -0700, "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> Gave us: >On Mar 28, 11:21 am, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demun...(a)yahoo.co.uk> >wrote: >[.....] >> Back in January she was unable to read posts longer than about >> 100 lines. >[.....] >> The only reasonable conclusion is that, as always it seems, >> BAH was spewing lies. > >She may not know. > >Given that she operates largely on superstitions on such subjects, >this theory also fits the facts. Nothing could be more true in this thread.
From: MassiveProng on 30 Mar 2007 00:27
On 29 Mar 2007 16:13:29 +0300, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> Gave us: >"MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> writes: >> On Mar 28, 11:21 am, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demun...(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> [.....] >> > Back in January she was unable to read posts longer than about >> > 100 lines. >> [.....] >> > The only reasonable conclusion is that, as always it seems, >> > BAH was spewing lies. >> >> She may not know. >> >> Given that she operates largely on superstitions on such subjects, >> this theory also fits the facts. > >Ah - she's fixed her cooker's dodgy connection now, >and her newsreader now works. Makes perfect BAHsense! > Maybe should move to alt.ditzes.in.BAHreign |