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From: lucasea on 18 Oct 2006 23:05 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4536D490.247A7341(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > David Bostwick wrote: >> > >> >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >> >> >> >> >McVeigh was a part of the radical Christian right. The IRA was >> >> >Catholic >> >> >fighting Protestants (and Protestants fought back). >> >> >> >> And the guy who killed the Amish kids was what? >> > >> > Mad presumably. >> >> And at least a Christian :-) ("His suicide notes stated that he was still >> angry at God for the death of a premature infant daughter nine years >> prior." >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carl_Roberts) > > Hmmm..... The threat from fundamentalist religions. I'm not sure if your comment was meant to be sarcastic, but this was most likely not an example of the threat from a fundamentalist religion. As I understand it, the Amish aren't particularly Fundamentalist, they are just deeply religious and very, very dogmatic when it comes to rejecting technology. In any case, the fellow wasn't even Amish. No, this was more likely just a guy who went over the edge, partly because of the death of his daughter, and partly because of some pedophilia issues that were tormenting him. One of the most touching aspects of the whole incident is the Amish response. They knew immediately that there was absolutely no reason to hate him, and almost immediately forgave him--he was quite clearly a very sick man, who did what he did because of that sickness, not out of some fundmental character flaw like hatred. Their consistent longer term response was to invite his widow to the funeral for the little girls, and to attend his funeral. They had no reason to hate her, either, and knew that the best way to begin healing and get on with their lives was to help her heal as well. That shows an amazing degree of maturity of which not many social groups (including many Christian groups) would be capable, if you ask me. Eric Lucas
From: Eeyore on 18 Oct 2006 23:16 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote > >> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > >> >> You haven't been paying attention. That is the reward for > >> >> murdering thousandS and millions of people. > >> > > >> > Actually, I have been paying attention. The toughest job in heaven > >> > these days is virgin wrangler. > >> > >> Is that someone who wrangles virgins, or a wrangler who has not yet > >> gotten laid? > > > > Thanks. You just helped me get it. > > OK, I have to admit I'm a little slow. Can you explain it to me? My > comment was mostly smartass meant to inject humor into the discussion. The virgin wrangler would indeed be one who wrangles virgins. Presumably because the virgins need 'persuasion' to be concubines for the martyr. Graham
From: Eeyore on 18 Oct 2006 23:20 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> > David Bostwick wrote: > >> >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >McVeigh was a part of the radical Christian right. The IRA was > >> >> >Catholic fighting Protestants (and Protestants fought back). > >> >> > >> >> And the guy who killed the Amish kids was what? > >> > > >> > Mad presumably. > >> > >> And at least a Christian :-) ("His suicide notes stated that he was still > >> angry at God for the death of a premature infant daughter nine years > >> prior." > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carl_Roberts) > > > > Hmmm..... The threat from fundamentalist religions. > > I'm not sure if your comment was meant to be sarcastic, A bit. > but this was most > likely not an example of the threat from a fundamentalist religion. As I > understand it, the Amish aren't particularly Fundamentalist, they are just > deeply religious and very, very dogmatic when it comes to rejecting > technology. It wasn't the Amish I was suggesting were fundamentalist. > In any case, the fellow wasn't even Amish. Exactly. > No, this was more > likely just a guy who went over the edge, partly because of the death of his > daughter, and partly because of some pedophilia issues that were tormenting > him. One of the most touching aspects of the whole incident is the Amish > response. They knew immediately that there was absolutely no reason to hate > him, and almost immediately forgave him--he was quite clearly a very sick > man, who did what he did because of that sickness, not out of some > fundmental character flaw like hatred. Their consistent longer term > response was to invite his widow to the funeral for the little girls, and to > attend his funeral. They had no reason to hate her, either, and knew that > the best way to begin healing and get on with their lives was to help her > heal as well. That shows an amazing degree of maturity of which not many > social groups (including many Christian groups) would be capable, if you ask > me. " His suicide notes stated that he was still angry at God " Americans take God too seriously. Graham
From: lucasea on 18 Oct 2006 23:45 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4536EF11.59E6F82B(a)hotmail.com... > > " His suicide notes stated that he was still angry at God " > > Americans take God too seriously. I'm not really sure that's a fair statement in this case. Granted, 9 years is a very long time to hold a grudge, I've heard that a parent that loses a child really never is able to completely get over it. However, given such a grudge, I suspect what he meant was more like he was still angry at someone--the world, society, the universe--for the loss of his daughter. God was simply a surrogate for the unnamable entity at which he was angry. Eric Lucas
From: JoeBloe on 19 Oct 2006 06:29
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:02:03 +0100, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> Gave us: >(with JoeBloe trying to butt in >occasionally) You're an idiot. You also do not know how or when to use comma. |