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From: Paul J Gans on 13 Jan 2010 21:30 Chris Cox <chrisncoxn(a)endlessnow.com> wrote: >On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 17:53 +0000, Paul J Gans wrote: >...snip... >> If the software needs to be rewritten, then rewrite it. Having >> incompatibilities with previous versions only means that people >> using it will be slowed down. There needs to be a real gain >> to justify that. >Well.. I think a lot of wrestle with the fact that KDE4 is NOT >the successor to KDE3, it's a different desktop environment. >I think once you accept that, then you realize that the desktop >enviroment you once used has simply vanished (one of the VERY few >examples of a successful FOSS project vanishing). >So... KDE3 is dead (unless somebody gets motivated). KDE4, is >a new non-Gnome, Desktop enviroment that has the potential to >replace it for many (for many, that's already done). >Should you be upset? Yes. At who? Not sure. It's just one >of those potential gotchas with FOSS projects. Just because >a project is FOSS does not guarantee that it will last. But >MOST successful FOSS projects live on. KDE3 is a VERY rare >exception. >KDE4 isn't horrible. Does it handle keyboard/mouse, etc shortcuts, >actions, etc. as well as KDE3, no. Does is handle the same >features as KDE3, no. Does is have some features that KDE3 >did not have, yes. I sort of wished KDE4 wasn't named KDE >at all. It's that different. >IMHO, KDE4 still needs some work to even do its own feature >set correctly.. others disagree and regard the project >as mature. >KDE1,2,3 was more evolutionary. KDE4 is more of a revolution. Good post. I take your point about KDE4 being a different desktop environment than KDE3. I will probably spend some serious time looking at other desktop environments as well as KDE4. I may be able to free up a machine to use as a test bed. Thanks again. You clarified my thinking for me. -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 13 Jan 2010 21:33 Kevin Nathan <knathan(a)project54.com> wrote: >On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:23:03 -0600 >Chris Cox <chrisncoxn(a)endlessnow.com> wrote: >>KDE1,2,3 was more evolutionary. KDE4 is more of a revolution. >> >I'm not sure. It's possible, I suppose, but ISTR there being a >significant paradigm shift from 1 to 2. (I might be wrong there, I >could be confusing it with my shift from GNOME to KDE1!) However, I *do* >remember a lot of bitching about KDE3 when it came out and how they >'ruined' KDE2, etc. :-) <grin> I'm not talking about "goodness" here. My point was that by making a serious change in the method of operation of the desktop, users who used KDE in a production environment are now going to lose time learning the new envirionment. This is not a value judgement on the environment, but it was why I asked what I gain for that inconvenience. -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: David Bolt on 14 Jan 2010 02:14 On Thursday 14 Jan 2010 02:33, while playing with a tin of spray paint, Paul J Gans painted this mural: > This is not a value judgement on the environment, but it > was why I asked what I gain for that inconvenience. Continued development and support, along with bug-fixes that will need to be done, once the bugs come to light. It's the sort of thing that requires active development, and is something that KDE3 hasn't had for a while now. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M0 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: Kevin Nathan on 14 Jan 2010 02:36 On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Paul J Gans <gansno(a)panix.com> wrote: >This is not a value judgement on the environment, but it >was why I asked what I gain for that inconvenience. > Each person will need to determine that for himself/herself after giving it honest effort and a sufficiently long time to become comfortable with it, or not. As I have said, I am spending several months on it to determine its merits *for me*; and, while I have also said I like it better than KDE3 already, I do *not* like it better than icewm, WindowMaker, wm2 and a few others I have used. WindowMaker was becoming my desktop of choice prior to my upgrade and I will be returning to it after I am satisfied that I know KDE4 as well as I can. :-) -- Kevin Nathan (Arizona, USA) Linux Potpourri and a.o.l.s. FAQ -- (temporarily offline) Open standards. Open source. Open minds. The command line is the front line. Linux 2.6.31.5-0.1-default 00:32am up 27 days 6:15, 19 users, load average: 0.13, 0.11, 0.23
From: JT on 14 Jan 2010 02:57
On 14/01/10 03:30, Paul J Gans wrote: > Chris Cox <chrisncoxn(a)endlessnow.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 17:53 +0000, Paul J Gans wrote: >> ...snip... >> >> <snip...> <snip...> >> KDE1,2,3 was more evolutionary. KDE4 is more of a revolution. >> > Good post. I take your point about KDE4 being a different > desktop environment than KDE3. > > I will probably spend some serious time looking at other > desktop environments as well as KDE4. I may be able to > free up a machine to use as a test bed. > > Thanks again. You clarified my thinking for me. > > <snipped> because of lengthy post, but I do agree on your opinion about the post. Good one. After years of using KDE (as of Suse version <low>, some ten years or so), I saw KDE4 coming up in Suse-11.2 and thought : 'Well , in Linux all changes appear to be improvements' so I gave KDE4 a shot. They proved my thought wrong, which is a major achievement :P . KDE4 was on my system for a day or two. I couldn't find the simplest of things without referring back to newsgroups etc.etc. So I did just like a 'major linux designer' that was on the cradle of linux did (whose name I shall not mention for privacy's sake...). Gnome was up and running to full satisfaction within 2-4 hours. And those were mainly spent on tweeking my desktop the way I like it (I'm a keyboard fan). Have used Gnome now for a month or two. Even eliminated all rpm's that smelled like kde. No regrets on going Gnome here. There's just one disappointment: not all changes are improvements in Linux :-) -- Kind regards, JT |