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From: Liam O'Toole on 6 May 2010 10:50 On 2010-05-06, Nate Bargmann <n0nb(a)n0nb.us> wrote: ---SNIP--- > KDE 3.5 is considered > dead. Why some motivated person has not forked it yet has escaped me. > > If I had the time, resources, and ability, it would be worthwhile to me > to see the KDE 3.5 codebase live on. If nothing else, the Lenny source > tarballs would be a starting point for a new branch. I'd expect some > pushback from the KDE devs so it's likely the fork could not call itself > KDE. Some will say that KDE 3.5 can go no further which was also said > of XMMS which spawned Beep Media Player which spawned Audacious which is > alive and well, last I checked. As I see it, KDE4 has been given 2+ > years to match KDE 3.5 and they've been unable to do so thus the time > has come for someone to seriously consider reviving the KDE 3.5 > codebase. ---SNIP--- Forking and maintaining KDE 3 would require an enormous effort. The codebase is much larger than XMMS and co. -- Liam O'Toole Birmingham, United Kingdom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhu5l53.bu7.liam.p.otoole(a)dipsy.selfip.org
From: Dotan Cohen on 6 May 2010 11:10 >> Please, let me know what KDE 4 is missing for you. KDE 4.4 has only a >> handful of regressions from KDE 3.5.10, and they are not dealbreakers. >> Some of those are addressed in KDE 4.5. > > I'm tired of typing this time and again: > > No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, "Too bad." > That might be fixed already: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177861 > Device Notifier is a poor design and not easily changed to simply allow > mounting so removable medium rather than starting Dolphin each time. > Do you mean unmounting? If so, then please comment on this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236586 > No right click on the desktop to bring up the menu. > There is now! If it does not work for you as expected in KDE 4,4 then please be very specific about what happened, and what you expected to happen. Thanks. > Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE > 3.5. > This is what I'd like to know! It is very subjective, but KDE 3 was very intuitive in some aspects. Tell me what is not intuitive in KDE 4.4 and I will file the bugs. Thanks, this is an important one! I agree that many things are _not_ intuitive. > These are small things to be sure and likely of little interest to > anyone else. Â To me they are the little things that make 3.5 a pleasure > to use and 4.x an impediment to my produtivity. > No, I agree. Excellence is in the little details. KDE 3 was excellent. We need eyes like your to make KDE 4 excellent as well. >> The "KDE 4 sux" time has passed. If you still have problems with KDE >> 4, then please let me know what they are so that they can be fixed. > > The time for "I tried it for 15 minutes and KDE4 sux" comments has long > passed, yes. Â I've given it a fair shake, I feel, I've tried asking > politely for the things I liked about 3.5 to restored in 4.x only to be > brushed aside by KDE devs. Â So *for me* KDE4 is not my vision of an > ideal desktop environment. Â YMMV and I wish the KDE4 team and its users > all the best. Â I may check in again some day and see how things are > going. Â This is Free Software after all where one may come and go as one > pleases. > Of course, and if you are filing bugs then that is appreciated. > If nothing else, KDE4 has given me the benefit of giving the other DEs a > fair evaluation, something I'd not done when I was happy with KDE 3.4 and > 3.5. > You might want to take a look at Gnome Shell, which will become Gnome 3 in half a year. Some nice ideas there. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/v2i880dece01005060805uc205651al9f414e9bfb6e3436(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Dotan Cohen on 6 May 2010 11:30 > Do you know when 4.5 will be out and stable? The guys from kde seem to drop > really stable in their x.5 branches :-) > August, I think. > I am also not planning moving to kde4 unless I'm sure it's working for me. I > have a lot of custom software and I'm not sure it's working. I'll have to > test it soon (again). > Then get out there this weekend and test! Seriously, if you want the fixes to make it in time for KDE 4.4 then _now_ is the time! > For now my parents are running debian testing with kde4.4 (I think) and they > are very glad. It's much much better then kde3. It took them some time to > get use to the new widget layouts, but recently they admitted they like it > much better then kde3. > Yes, KDE 4 seems to be much better for the average Joe. But that is the reason that power users suffer at the moment! A.Joe already has Gnome... -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/s2w880dece01005060823jc9c053a6sf99fb0959135fb54(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Richard Hartmann on 6 May 2010 11:50 On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 14:59, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Please, let me know what KDE 4 is missing for you. KDE 4.4 has only a > handful of regressions from KDE 3.5.10, and they are not dealbreakers. > Some of those are addressed in KDE 4.5. Not missing as such, but there is one thing which annoys me to no end: On a Phenom X2 with 4 GiB RAM and a pretty new GFX card whose name I don't remember, I get random hangs while doing nothing more than light surfing with some minimal background activity. KDE 3.5.10 (almost) never has this issue. I know because I still use KDE 3.5.10 at work and even though the hardware is _years_ older, it's a _lot_ faster. And yes, I have Nepomuk off, no fancy effects, no nothing. Unfortunately, this is nothing you can file a bug against. Of course, computers become faster all the time and so the issue will somewhat solve itself over time, but still. The rest which annoys me can be found in the bug tracker. Richard PS: With 4.4, I migrated my gf to KDE 4. With 4.5, I might even start using unstable, and not lenny, at work again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/h2n2d460de71005060843z7357e25avf427c3af53a92201(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Richard Hartmann on 6 May 2010 12:00
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 15:22, Nate Bargmann <n0nb(a)n0nb.us> wrote: > Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE > 3.5. I dare anyone to create a new application hotkey without using google ;) Why this feature can not be accessed from System Settings directly is beyond me. And I mean _creating_, not editing existing ones. > These are small things to be sure and likely of little interest to > anyone else. Â To me they are the little things that make 3.5 a pleasure > to use and 4.x an impediment to my produtivity. To be fair, KDE 4 has a lot of minor but awesome changes. I just discovered the tabs in KMail, today. Awesome. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/u2n2d460de71005060850rf6794d53sb16ccbc1e4242cc6(a)mail.gmail.com |