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From: BURT on 22 May 2010 14:17 On May 22, 3:04 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 22, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 21, 8:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 20, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > In the 1930's Einstein questioned what he won the Nobel prize for. He > > > > said he could not reconcile the wave of light with a particle. in the > > > > end. > > > > > Light is only a wave. It has no momentum like matter. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > In a double slit experiment, detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > slits. Why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? Why > > > isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? > > > > The photon 'particle' has an associated wave and the particle always > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > interference. > > > In the two slit experiment for electrons when there is light the wave > > pattern goes away and the electrons pile up behind the holes instead. > > Take away the light and it goes back to the wave pattern. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > We are not discussing electrons. We are discussing a photon. But they don't exist. There is no photon. But there is a wave nature of matter to talk about. The electron has a wave that collapses when interacting with light. > You insist a photon is a light wave which does not have an associated > 'particle'. > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? > Why isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? The light wave > does exit both slits, correct? > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Light does not have a dual nature but matter does. The matter wave can collapse. Now we are talking about matter waves. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 22 May 2010 14:21 On May 22, 2:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 22, 3:04 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 22, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 21, 8:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 20, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > In the 1930's Einstein questioned what he won the Nobel prize for.. He > > > > > said he could not reconcile the wave of light with a particle. in the > > > > > end. > > > > > > Light is only a wave. It has no momentum like matter. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > In a double slit experiment, detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > > slits. Why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? Why > > > > isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? > > > > > The photon 'particle' has an associated wave and the particle always > > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > > interference. > > > > In the two slit experiment for electrons when there is light the wave > > > pattern goes away and the electrons pile up behind the holes instead. > > > Take away the light and it goes back to the wave pattern. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > We are not discussing electrons. We are discussing a photon. > > But they don't exist. > > There is no photon. But there is a wave nature of matter to talk > about. > > The electron has a wave that collapses when interacting with light. > > > > > You insist a photon is a light wave which does not have an associated > > 'particle'. > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? > > Why isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? The light wave > > does exit both slits, correct? > > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Light does not have a dual nature but matter does. The matter wave can > collapse. > > Now we are talking about matter waves. > > Mitch Raemsch 'SINGLE PHOTON INTERFERENCE' http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/modern/demo/7a5520.htm If the experiment was modified to place detectors at the exits to the slits the single photon would always be detected exiting a single slit. If the light wave enters and exits both slits then what is detected exiting a single slit? If the light wave enters and exits both slits why is the light wave not detected exiting both slits? The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no interference.
From: BURT on 22 May 2010 14:24 On May 22, 11:21 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 22, 2:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 22, 3:04 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 22, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 21, 8:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 20, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In the 1930's Einstein questioned what he won the Nobel prize for. He > > > > > > said he could not reconcile the wave of light with a particle. in the > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > Light is only a wave. It has no momentum like matter. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > In a double slit experiment, detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > > > slits. Why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? Why > > > > > isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? > > > > > > The photon 'particle' has an associated wave and the particle always > > > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > > > interference. > > > > > In the two slit experiment for electrons when there is light the wave > > > > pattern goes away and the electrons pile up behind the holes instead. > > > > Take away the light and it goes back to the wave pattern. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > We are not discussing electrons. We are discussing a photon. > > > But they don't exist. > > > There is no photon. But there is a wave nature of matter to talk > > about. > > > The electron has a wave that collapses when interacting with light. > > > > You insist a photon is a light wave which does not have an associated > > > 'particle'. > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? > > > Why isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? The light wave > > > does exit both slits, correct? > > > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Light does not have a dual nature but matter does. The matter wave can > > collapse. > > > Now we are talking about matter waves. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > 'SINGLE PHOTON INTERFERENCE'http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/modern/demo/7a552... > > If the experiment was modified to place detectors at the exits to the > slits the single photon would always be detected exiting a single > slit. If the light wave enters and exits both slits then what is > detected exiting a single slit? If the light wave enters and exits > both slits why is the light wave not detected exiting both slits? > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Light is not a single wave. Light is both an electric and a magnetic waves at right angles. There is no place for the photon. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 22 May 2010 14:25 On May 22, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 22, 2:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 22, 3:04 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 22, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 21, 8:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 20, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In the 1930's Einstein questioned what he won the Nobel prize for. He > > > > > > said he could not reconcile the wave of light with a particle. in the > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > Light is only a wave. It has no momentum like matter. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > In a double slit experiment, detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > > > slits. Why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? Why > > > > > isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? > > > > > > The photon 'particle' has an associated wave and the particle always > > > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > > > interference. > > > > > In the two slit experiment for electrons when there is light the wave > > > > pattern goes away and the electrons pile up behind the holes instead. > > > > Take away the light and it goes back to the wave pattern. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > We are not discussing electrons. We are discussing a photon. > > > But they don't exist. > > > There is no photon. But there is a wave nature of matter to talk > > about. > > > The electron has a wave that collapses when interacting with light. > > > > You insist a photon is a light wave which does not have an associated > > > 'particle'. > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? > > > Why isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? The light wave > > > does exit both slits, correct? > > > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Light does not have a dual nature but matter does. The matter wave can > > collapse. > > > Now we are talking about matter waves. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > 'SINGLE PHOTON INTERFERENCE'http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/modern/demo/7a552... > > If the experiment was modified to place detectors at the exits to the > slits the single photon would always be detected exiting a single > slit. If the light wave enters and exits both slits then what is > detected exiting a single slit? If the light wave enters and exits > both slits why is the light wave not detected exiting both slits? > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > interference. Here is another single photon double slit experiment: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInterference/SinglePhotonInterference.html "Finally, the slit arrangement is such that it is possible to know which of the two slits the photons are passing through. In that case the Young's double-slit interference pattern does not manifest itself." When the 'which-way' is determined the cohesion of the associated wave is destroyed and there is no interference.
From: BURT on 22 May 2010 14:27
On May 22, 11:25 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 22, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 22, 2:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 22, 3:04 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 22, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 21, 8:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 20, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > In the 1930's Einstein questioned what he won the Nobel prize for. He > > > > > > > said he could not reconcile the wave of light with a particle.. in the > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > Light is only a wave. It has no momentum like matter. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment, detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > > > > slits. Why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? Why > > > > > > isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' has an associated wave and the particle always > > > > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > > > > interference. > > > > > > In the two slit experiment for electrons when there is light the wave > > > > > pattern goes away and the electrons pile up behind the holes instead. > > > > > Take away the light and it goes back to the wave pattern. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > We are not discussing electrons. We are discussing a photon. > > > > But they don't exist. > > > > There is no photon. But there is a wave nature of matter to talk > > > about. > > > > The electron has a wave that collapses when interacting with light. > > > > > You insist a photon is a light wave which does not have an associated > > > > 'particle'. > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment why is the photon always detected exiting a single slit? > > > > Why isn't the light wave detected exiting both slits? The light wave > > > > does exit both slits, correct? > > > > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > > > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > > > interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Light does not have a dual nature but matter does. The matter wave can > > > collapse. > > > > Now we are talking about matter waves. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > 'SINGLE PHOTON INTERFERENCE'http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/modern/demo/7a552... > > > If the experiment was modified to place detectors at the exits to the > > slits the single photon would always be detected exiting a single > > slit. If the light wave enters and exits both slits then what is > > detected exiting a single slit? If the light wave enters and exits > > both slits why is the light wave not detected exiting both slits? > > > The photon wave has an associated 'particle' and the 'particle' always > > enters and exits a single slit while the associated wave enters and > > exits both slits. The associated wave creates interference which > > alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the > > 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no > > interference. > > Here is another single photon double slit experiment: > > http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonIn... > > "Finally, the slit arrangement is such that it is possible to know > which of the two slits the photons are passing through. In that case > the Young's double-slit interference pattern does not manifest > itself." > > When the 'which-way' is determined the cohesion of the associated wave > is destroyed and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Which wave is the particle in? Mitch Raemsch |