From: Kimmy Boyer on
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:00:45 -0500, ps56k wrote:

> really - our son is home from Germany,

Does he have an innate desire to kill Jews? I ask only for the
purposes of research.
--
zakAT(a)pooh.the.cat - Sergeant Tech-Com, DN38416.
Assigned to protect you. You've been targeted for denigration!
From: Bob on
On 29/06/2010 01:41, Justin wrote:

> Everywhere.
> In the EU it is law that everyone who uses the itnernet must allow the
> establishment to copy their passport. So I, as an American before I am
> able to use an internet cafe - must give them my passport to copy.
Which countries have you been visiting?
Hotels in some countries do photocopy passports but it is not "EU Law"
that it must be done and in most countries you fill out a registration
card and produce your passport as proof of identity. In the UK they only
seem to have been interested in my credit card details so they could be
paid, but I also reside in the UK.

I did a little "Googling" and came up with this which may be of interest.
Appendix 1 � Sample letter from DHS Privacy Office to European Data
Protection Authority or Ministry of Interior/Justice
[Begin Text]
I am writing to you to seek your assistance to better understand the
[country] approach to third-party, commercial collection of personally
identifiable information for law enforcement use. Of particular and
immediate interest is the dual use of hotel guest registration information.
As you know, Article 45 of the Schengen Convention requires Schengen
Member States to adopt measures in order to ensure that hotels collect
personal information from guests upon registration and that they retain
or forward the information to police for law enforcement and other
purposes. For [country], I am interested in domestic legislation apart
from applicable EU directives that could shed some light on this example
of private � public data sharing.
Previously, I have written separately to the European Data Protection
Supervisor, the Article 29 Working Party, and [others], seeking
information and views from their perspectives. I seek from you now the
[agency�s] perspective in this regard and am interested in your
interpretation of domestic legislation apart from applicable EU
directives that could shed some light on this example of private �
public data sharing. My questions are:
Hotel Collection of Personal Data
� Do hotels in [country] collect personal data from guests to provide to
[country] security agencies?
o If yes, is this a requirement under federal or state law? Which law or
laws govern this collection?
o If yes, is such information routinely transferred or made available
upon request by the security agency?
o If done routinely, how often do these transfers occur?
o If yes, are hotels required to notify guests of routine or
case-specific transfers?
� What personal data is collected?
� Is the passport scanned or passport number collected? Are photocopies
or images of passports collected?
� How long must the hotel retain the personal data?
� For this collection, what means of access and redress do individuals have?
� In what form is the personal data provided to the police or a security
agency (i.e., hardcopy or electronic)?
� If in hardcopy format, are there any pilot programs or plans in
[country] for electronic transmission of hotel registration data to
police or security agencies?
� What is the competence of the Data Protection Commissioner with
respect to hotel collection of registration personal data?
� Must hotels inform the Data Protection Commissioner when transfers are
made to security agencies?

Security Agency Collection of Hotel Registration Personal Data
� What use or uses do the police or security agencies make with hotel
registration personal data?
� How long is it retained?
� Are security agencies required to notify individuals that their hotel
registration is being used for a law enforcement or security purpose?
� What means of redress do individuals have via the police or the
security agency?
� Do the police or security agencies in [country] share the personal
data with other [country] government agencies, such as the intelligence
service? Others?
� Do the police or security agencies in [country] share the personal
data with third party countries? If so, which?
� Does the Data Protection Commissioner have competence with respect to
oversight of the security agency�s use of the personal data? Are there
any limits to the Data Protection Commissioner�s competence over the
police, security, or intelligence agency use of the personal data?
� What other oversight bodies are there in [country] that may have
competence to oversee the police, security, or intelligence agency use
of this personal data?
Your clarification of these questions will help me better understand the
[country] practice of information sharing between the private and public
sectors. Please let me know if there is a point of contact to whom I can
address follow-up questions.
Warmest regards,
Hugo Teufel III
Chief Privacy Officer
<http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_rpt_hotel_int.pdf>

The UK is not a "Schengen State".
> Due to that restriction most EU hotels go by Mac address and only allow
> one machine on at a time.
>
> Here is a video of what my WTR is doing.
> http://tinypic.com/r/2mecz93/6

From: Justin on
On 06/29/2010 10:21 AM, Bob wrote:
> On 29/06/2010 01:41, Justin wrote:
>
>> Everywhere.
>> In the EU it is law that everyone who uses the itnernet must allow the
>> establishment to copy their passport. So I, as an American before I am
>> able to use an internet cafe - must give them my passport to copy.
> Which countries have you been visiting?
> Hotels in some countries do photocopy passports but it is not "EU Law"
> that it must be done and in most countries you fill out a registration
> card and produce your passport as proof of identity. In the UK they only
> seem to have been interested in my credit card details so they could be
> paid, but I also reside in the UK.
>

UK, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Germany, France even Luxembourg.
I don't know what to tell you, when I went to Internet cafe I was asked
for my passport.


From: Bob on
On 29/06/2010 15:24, Justin wrote:
> On 06/29/2010 10:21 AM, Bob wrote:
>> On 29/06/2010 01:41, Justin wrote:
>>
>>> Everywhere.
>>> In the EU it is law that everyone who uses the itnernet must allow the
>>> establishment to copy their passport. So I, as an American before I am
>>> able to use an internet cafe - must give them my passport to copy.
>> Which countries have you been visiting?
>> Hotels in some countries do photocopy passports but it is not "EU Law"
>> that it must be done and in most countries you fill out a registration
>> card and produce your passport as proof of identity. In the UK they only
>> seem to have been interested in my credit card details so they could be
>> paid, but I also reside in the UK.
>>
>
> UK, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Germany, France even Luxembourg.
> I don't know what to tell you, when I went to Internet cafe I was asked
> for my passport.
>
>
France
Hotel Collection - French decree (article R 611-25 of the Code of the
entrance and the stay of the foreigners and the right of asylum)
requires hotelkeepers to obtain a signed registration form from foreign
visitors. Data collected includes family and first names, date and place
of birth, nationality, and home address. The information is transmitted
daily to the police authorities.
From: Zeppo on


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> "Justin" <justin(a)nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Grr...
>> The GS is routing.
>> If I'm at a hotel I don't want my team to have to pay for each
>> connection - that adds up over the course of a quarter.
>>
>
> ok - - now I understand why I didn't get it...
>
> Guess I've never been in a hotel/motel situation (USA)
> where the WiFi was charged for & allocated one user at a time,
> even in the cheapy ones just off the Interstate.
>
My wife is staying in one in Orlando at a conference right now, at a
Marriot. $15.95 a day per user.

Jon