From: John Navas on
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:18:31 -0400, in
<88uo77Fn5qU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "Zeppo" <zeppo(a)hotmail.org> wrote:

>"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me(a)interserv.com> wrote in message
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>> "Justin" <justin(a)nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Grr...
>>> The GS is routing.
>>> If I'm at a hotel I don't want my team to have to pay for each
>>> connection - that adds up over the course of a quarter.
>>
>> ok - - now I understand why I didn't get it...
>>
>> Guess I've never been in a hotel/motel situation (USA)
>> where the WiFi was charged for & allocated one user at a time,
>> even in the cheapy ones just off the Interstate.
>>
>My wife is staying in one in Orlando at a conference right now, at a
>Marriot. $15.95 a day per user.

Really per user, or per room?
Couple staying in the same room would need two (2) accounts?
I've seen hotels charge by room, but not by user.
And when I've rented a room for a meeting or conference,
there has only been one charge for Internet access.

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From: Justin on
On 06/29/2010 10:33 AM, Bob wrote:
> On 29/06/2010 15:24, Justin wrote:
>> On 06/29/2010 10:21 AM, Bob wrote:
>>> On 29/06/2010 01:41, Justin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everywhere.
>>>> In the EU it is law that everyone who uses the itnernet must allow the
>>>> establishment to copy their passport. So I, as an American before I am
>>>> able to use an internet cafe - must give them my passport to copy.
>>> Which countries have you been visiting?
>>> Hotels in some countries do photocopy passports but it is not "EU Law"
>>> that it must be done and in most countries you fill out a registration
>>> card and produce your passport as proof of identity. In the UK they only
>>> seem to have been interested in my credit card details so they could be
>>> paid, but I also reside in the UK.
>>>
>>
>> UK, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Germany, France even Luxembourg.
>> I don't know what to tell you, when I went to Internet cafe I was asked
>> for my passport.
>>
>>
> France
> Hotel Collection - French decree (article R 611-25 of the Code of the
> entrance and the stay of the foreigners and the right of asylum)
> requires hotelkeepers to obtain a signed registration form from foreign
> visitors. Data collected includes family and first names, date and place
> of birth, nationality, and home address. The information is transmitted
> daily to the police authorities.

Yeah.
I guess they think this will prevent terrorists from communicating with
Osama.
Alum Ackbar, or something.
From: Justin on
On 06/27/2010 07:45 AM, Jonathan L. Parker wrote:
> Justin wrote:
>
>> Grr...
>> The GS is routing.
>> If I'm at a hotel I don't want my team to have to pay for each
>> connection - that adds up over the course of a quarter.
>>
>
> Oh yes, *now* I get it. You want to knowingly book your "team" into a
> hotel that charges per user for its Wi-Fi, then pay for only one
> connection and steal (yes, I mean *steal*) the rest. Well...good luck
> getting any more help with *that* from honest people.
>
> I don't know what line of business you and your "team" are in, but I
> can't help wondering how you would respond if your customers were to act
> similarly towards you.
>
> And even if you live in a part of the world where free Wi-Fi is rare or
> even nonexistent in hotels-which I assume you *must* or you'd only book
> hotels where it *is* free-what would it hurt to try and negotiate a
> better rate with the hotel to make up for the extra cost, given that
> you're booking multiple rooms? The results of dealing upfront with
> people rather than attempting to rip them off behind their backs just
> *might* surprise you.

Well Johnny boy

Since $15 per user per day seems to be the de facto price int he US I'll
give an example as to why I want to do this.
Ten of us for a week.
$15 * 7d * 10p = $1,050
or
$15 * 7 = $105.

I see you seem to make an awful lot of friends 'round these parts.
From: bod43 on
On 28 June, 06:08, Justin <jus...(a)nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
> On 06/28/2010 12:51 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>
>
> > Justin wrote:
> >> I have a Linksys WTR54GS travel router. I am trying to use it to share
> >> a wireless connection to three other machines also using 802.11g.
> >> For the most part it works, but if one of the shared machines starts a
> >> filetransfer or something that takes alot of bandwidth (youtube, skype)
> >> the internet connection quits. We still have wireless connectivity so I
> >> don't tink it is a channel issue.
> >> I tried setting the machine's MTU to 1,200 with no difference.
> >> Remember, I am trying to share a wireless connection, I do not have
> >> access to an ethernet port.
> >> The connection craps out when I'm using alot of bandwidth - file
> >> transfers, Youtube - but normal browsing seems to be OK.
> >> The ISP is not throttling the connection since I can transfer huge files
> >> without a problem when I remove the router.
> >> It is not interference since I can sit in the same room without the
> >> router and still download from the source AP.
> >> Somebody in another group said I should change my station preamble to
> >> long - but I can't find the setting to do that.
> > Hi,
> > I guess f/w is latest?
>
> Yes, it is.  They stopped updating it a while back though.
> I'll post a video showing what its doing.
> I just have to figure out a way to graph the internet speed and still
> see the unit's flashing LEDs.

I am not sure what is going on or even what your "router"
does however here is what surely MUST work.

One possibility seems to be that their system is only
allowing one MAC (either at wireless {layer one}
OR at bridging {layer two} level) or one internal IP address,
perhaps for NAT.

If your device is ROUTING and NATting between your
"private" network and the hotel network then the hotel cannot
possibly know what you are up to.

So that is what you need to do, Route and NAT.

A windows PC can for example do this. Look up
Internet Conenction sharing. I would give details if I
knew them but you may as well look it up as me:)

You might also, if your linksys is repeating the wireless,
and can bridge to wired,
use the linksys as a wireless client, then use a wire to
a normal DSL/cable router (Ethernet outside interface)
and use that to NAT (and of course route).

Regarding European passport stuff. Some European
countries require registration when you stay in a hotel. The
UK is not one and has not been such for at least 50 years.
Here all you need is money. France does,
the details are sent to the police.

I ocassionally use internet cafes in the UK and very
ocassionally in other parts of Europe and I have never been
asked for any details at all. Only money or in fact not
even that in many cases for WiFi. I last used an
internet cafe in London a few days ago. It cost £0.5
per half hour, this is not enough to pay for registering
details. You turn up, use the computer and pay on the
way out. They even smile.

No idea where you get the idea that you need to register
to use the internet in the UK. Complete bollocks.

Although we may not be quite as "free" in theory as
those in the USA, in practise there is no difference
for very, very, very, nearly everybody very, very, very,
nearly all of the time. We are even of course free to be ill
without facing bankruptcy. Oh dear, should I delete
the politics........... thinks. Thread is bound to be inundated
with msgs explaining that lots of dead and dying poor
people are good for the soul. Still thinking ................



From: Char Jackson on
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:45:32 -0400, Justin
<justin(a)nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

>I have no problem paying for something if its worth it.

I suspect the problem people are going to have with that statement is
that if you think something isn't worth the cost, you're expected to
walk away from it rather than sneak around and take a 5-finger
discount.

>I however, despise being gauged by companies that think I don't have a
>choice. It is my responsibility as a consumer to find the fairest price
>for a service or product; it is the duty of the corporations and
>manufacturers to provide such services.

Your responsibility for finding the fairest price doesn't usually mean
you can manufacture a lower price if you don't like the normal price.
We'd all like to arbitrarily and unilaterally lower the cost for the
things we buy, but it's generally frowned upon by polite society.

>Apparently I am not theonly
>person on the planet who thinks hotel internet policies are unfair since
>aforementioned corporations are producing various Internet sharing
>devices specifically designed for hotels. They are filling a demand for
>a product. Microsoft has ICS. Linksys had the WRT, not another company
>has the RB1132.

You can't blame the device. It has legitimate uses, too, in addition
to how you're using it.