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From: Woody on 28 Apr 2010 05:41 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > On 2010-04-28, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>>So how much better off than you does someone or some company have to be > >>>>before it becomes morally ok to steal from them? > >>> > >>> I don't see how the difficulty of quantifying something makes it false. > >> > >>I repeat: theft is theft. > > > > So, about your MAME cabinet... > > Yep, fair point. Most of the ROM images there are indeed stolen. Well, no they aren't. They are illegally duplicated. In the UK, (and I am sure other places too), the theft law says: person shall be guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. And I assume that you didn't actually steal the original? -- Woody
From: Jim on 28 Apr 2010 05:48 On 2010-04-28, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>So how much better off than you does someone or some company have to be >> >>>>before it becomes morally ok to steal from them? >> >>> >> >>> I don't see how the difficulty of quantifying something makes it false. >> >> >> >>I repeat: theft is theft. >> > >> > So, about your MAME cabinet... >> >> Yep, fair point. Most of the ROM images there are indeed stolen. > > Well, no they aren't. They are illegally duplicated. > > In the UK, (and I am sure other places too), the theft law says: > > person shall be guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property > belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the > other of it. Oh, fair enough. > And I assume that you didn't actually steal the original? Not that I remember :-) Jim -- Twitter:@GreyAreaUK "[The MP4-12C] will be fitted with all manner of pointlessly shiny buttons that light up and a switch that says 'sport mode' that isn't connected to anything." The Daily Mash.
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 28 Apr 2010 05:51 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:41:53 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-04-28, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>So how much better off than you does someone or some company have to be >> >>>>before it becomes morally ok to steal from them? >> >>> >> >>> I don't see how the difficulty of quantifying something makes it false. >> >> >> >>I repeat: theft is theft. >> > >> > So, about your MAME cabinet... >> >> Yep, fair point. Most of the ROM images there are indeed stolen. > >Well, no they aren't. They are illegally duplicated. > >In the UK, (and I am sure other places too), the theft law says: > >person shall be guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property >belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the >other of it. And "property" has been used to describe the money that would otherwise have accrued in the pockets of the original ROM owners, if the duplication had not occurred. So it's not cut and dried, which was my point. Also, "theft" is a legal term while Richard is talking in moral terms, so the conversation was at cross purposes anyway. Businesses are "persons" with rights but little responsibility and often very poor morals and ethics, and that needs to be factored in. There's no "right" answer. Cheers - Jaimie -- "Every Little Thing She Does Is Sufficiently Advanced Technology"
From: Peter Ceresole on 28 Apr 2010 05:55 Richard Tobin <richard(a)cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > In article <slrnhtfqn4.16u1.jim(a)wotan.magrathea.local>, > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > >I repeat: theft is theft. > > Which doesn't make it wrong. We seem, as a society, to have decided that there is an advantage of having such a thing as 'property', both physical and intellectual. So we've decided that theft is wrong. That's all. For what it's worth, I agree with that. If there are problems with the idea, then the place to change it is in the law, in parliament (or Congress, or the Majlis, or whatever). There are penalities for breaking the law. That's it. -- Peter
From: SM on 28 Apr 2010 06:07
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Obviously if there is an ugly fluffy white cat around too, it may help > with the image. White fluff + black polo - not going to happen. Stuart -- cut that out to reply |