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From: SteveH on 21 Mar 2010 17:10 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > However, it is a faff to deal with and I wanted jbidwatcher on it but > sadly that failed (as do many things), some java problem. And I couldn't > update java, and can't work out why (helpful messages tell me that I > need java6-bin > 1.6.18 but java6-bin is not available). > > So what is the point of a server if you can't run anything on it? That's Linux for you... > So looking at my options, it appears: > I can get 10.5 server for around �150, This one. > I can put some other more helpful linux on it > I could get a new intel mini that would support more things (lots of > money) > I could get a dell zino at almost �300 > I could put an ordinary OSX 10.5 on it and set that up as a server. Or this one. > Which sounds like a better idea, and have I missed any? If you're confident with command line stuff, 10.5 should do you fine. I'm not, so I'd lean towards 10.5 Server. -- SteveH
From: D.M. Procida on 21 Mar 2010 17:35 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > So looking at my options, it appears: > I can get 10.5 server for around �150, > I can put some other more helpful linux on it > I could get a new intel mini that would support more things (lots of > money) > I could get a dell zino at almost �300 > I could put an ordinary OSX 10.5 on it and set that up as a server. Since you're not having much luck with Debian, I don't see why any other GNU/Linux OS would be much better. Things like jbidwatcher and Java applications aren't really the kind of thing I'd expect to find running on a server, so I think you need something that will happily expect to have that kind of thing running. I don't know whether Mac OS X server does, but plain old Mac OS X does, and it can easily run all the server applications you require. Why not us that? Daniele
From: chris on 22 Mar 2010 07:20 On 21/03/10 21:10, Woody wrote: > So I have this mac (ppc) mini which acts as my server. It handles the > mail for domains, runs apache and in its old incarnation as a mac OSX > server, did a hell of a lot more. > > It used to have OSX 10.4 server on it, and that ran fine. OK, I didn't > really use that much of the server thing, most things were conrolled > through webmin. > > Anyway, security couldn't be updated on 10.4 so I had to change it to > something else, so I changed it for debian 5.x something. > > I have mail (although nowhere near as well as before - no spam filtering > etc), and I have recently got apache sorted out again. I also have some > fileshares. > > However, it is a faff to deal with and I wanted jbidwatcher on it but > sadly that failed (as do many things), some java problem. And I couldn't > update java, and can't work out why (helpful messages tell me that I > need java6-bin> 1.6.18 but java6-bin is not available). > > So what is the point of a server if you can't run anything on it? > Have you enable the correct repositories for apt? You probably don't have Sun Java installed, but the free alternative. Debian is very picky in what it calls 'Free' software, you may need to enable a different repo in order to get Sun Java installed. Or get it directly from java. Ah, a quick look at debian.org reveals that the Sun Java JRE is available in the 'non-free' repository: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sun-java5-jre
From: Woody on 22 Mar 2010 07:39 chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 21/03/10 21:10, Woody wrote: > > So I have this mac (ppc) mini which acts as my server. It handles the > > mail for domains, runs apache and in its old incarnation as a mac OSX > > server, did a hell of a lot more. > > > > It used to have OSX 10.4 server on it, and that ran fine. OK, I didn't > > really use that much of the server thing, most things were conrolled > > through webmin. > > > > Anyway, security couldn't be updated on 10.4 so I had to change it to > > something else, so I changed it for debian 5.x something. > > > > I have mail (although nowhere near as well as before - no spam filtering > > etc), and I have recently got apache sorted out again. I also have some > > fileshares. > > > > However, it is a faff to deal with and I wanted jbidwatcher on it but > > sadly that failed (as do many things), some java problem. And I couldn't > > update java, and can't work out why (helpful messages tell me that I > > need java6-bin> 1.6.18 but java6-bin is not available). > > > > So what is the point of a server if you can't run anything on it? > > > > Have you enable the correct repositories for apt? You probably don't > have Sun Java installed, but the free alternative. No, I added the non-free stuff ages ago when I tried to do other java stuff. I have sun-java6 on the machine, as the free alternative isn't much use to me. > Debian is very picky > in what it calls 'Free' software, you may need to enable a different > repo in order to get Sun Java installed. Or get it directly from java. > > Ah, a quick look at debian.org reveals that the Sun Java JRE is > available in the 'non-free' repository: > http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sun-java5-jre Well, I have sun-java6 (maybe I should try 5, although I need 6 for something else) installed, but jbidwatcher wont log in, with a security error. If I do a search on the web I find I need to update my java but when I try (through any of the gui tools or apt-get on the command line) I get told that I can't update sun-java6-jre as I need sun-java6-bin > 6.18 but sun-java6-bin isn't availble (numbers may be wrong). After an hour or so I gave up, I could have installed a working OS in that time! -- Woody
From: chris on 23 Mar 2010 05:20
On 22/03/10 11:39, Woody wrote: > chris<ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 21/03/10 21:10, Woody wrote: >>> However, it is a faff to deal with and I wanted jbidwatcher on it but >>> sadly that failed (as do many things), some java problem. And I couldn't >>> update java, and can't work out why (helpful messages tell me that I >>> need java6-bin> 1.6.18 but java6-bin is not available). >>> >>> So what is the point of a server if you can't run anything on it? >>> >> >> Have you enable the correct repositories for apt? You probably don't >> have Sun Java installed, but the free alternative. > > No, I added the non-free stuff ages ago when I tried to do other java > stuff. I have sun-java6 on the machine, as the free alternative isn't > much use to me. Yeah, the free alternative is not much use to anyone... >> Debian is very picky >> in what it calls 'Free' software, you may need to enable a different >> repo in order to get Sun Java installed. Or get it directly from java. >> >> Ah, a quick look at debian.org reveals that the Sun Java JRE is >> available in the 'non-free' repository: >> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sun-java5-jre > > Well, I have sun-java6 (maybe I should try 5, although I need 6 for > something else) installed, but jbidwatcher wont log in, with a security > error. If I do a search on the web I find I need to update my java but > when I try (through any of the gui tools or apt-get on the command line) > I get told that I can't update sun-java6-jre as I need sun-java6-bin> > 6.18 but sun-java6-bin isn't availble (numbers may be wrong). > After an hour or so I gave up, I could have installed a working OS in > that time! That's odd, apt-get is one of the best package managers in resolving dependencies. I don't use 'straight' debian so can't comment on how well it copes with some of these non-free apps. Debian is the standard for server distros, but with a PPC Mini you're a bit limited for choice with Linux. |