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From: Mike Rosenberg on 9 Apr 2010 12:09 Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody(a)goldmark.org> wrote: > Mike, you've missed the point of the theology. You are thinking of Good > and Evil in human terms. But John's all loving deity sets the bar so > high that the distinction between Gandhi and Stalin is negligible in > those terms. So the only way to enter heaven is through accepting His > sacrifice of Himself/Son. > > One of the many problems with this view is that it presents a moral > system in which the moral differences between Gandhi and Stalin are > negligible. As Sam Harris said, anyone who thinks that the Bible is a > good guide to moral behavior either has very distorted view of morals or > a very distorted view of guidance. I would just like John to tell me, in his own words, why Gandhi isn't in heaven but Torquemada is. (I'm reasonably sure that Stalin did not accept Jesus as his Lord. OTOH, Hitler and Mussilini might have.) -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 9 Apr 2010 13:55 Phillip Jones wrote: > In my younger days I went to a Southern Baptist Church, even was > baptized at that church. Then one Sunday they were to have an all hymen > service. Is an all hymen service better than dancing? -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 9 Apr 2010 14:02 Warren Oates wrote: > I asked before: Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that He Himself > could not eat it? Or (from last night's Bones): Could god create a rock > that He Himself could not roll? This criticism of religion has no force. You are asking God to create a logical impossibility. This question is like saying that God can't really be omnipotent because He can't make six be a prime number. So while there are plenty of good arguments against the existence of God or a god like the ones that are so popular at the moment, this isn't one of them. If you want to define "omnipotence" to include logical impossibilities than all logical argument about it breaks down. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Nick Naym on 9 Apr 2010 14:58 In article 8298efF2tnU1(a)mid.individual.net, Jeffrey Goldberg at nobody(a)goldmark.org wrote on 4/9/10 2:02 PM: > Warren Oates wrote: > >> I asked before: Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that He Himself >> could not eat it? Or (from last night's Bones): Could god create a rock >> that He Himself could not roll? > > This criticism of religion has no force. You are asking God to create a > logical impossibility. This question is like saying that God can't > really be omnipotent because He can't make six be a prime number. > > So while there are plenty of good arguments against the existence of God > or a god like the ones that are so popular at the moment, this isn't one > of them. If you want to define "omnipotence" to include logical > impossibilities than all logical argument about it breaks down. > > -j But the basic premise is illogical to begin with. Once you begin with that, then everything is possible, even the impossible. IOW, the entire concept is self serving, allowing you to derive whatever you wish from it. -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: Jolly Roger on 9 Apr 2010 16:55
In article <C7E4AA8E.42D35%ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com>, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 4/9/10 8:06 AM, in article > 1jgobvb.livgimmhc1a8N%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com, "Mike Rosenberg" > <mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: > > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> You can't argue sense into a fundamentalist, Mike. ; ) > > > > John and I go way back. I just like reminding him of the concept of > > cause and effect. He makes off topic posts, people respond. If he > > doesn't like the responses, he can stop posting. > > And he will disappear. And then come back. Again. And again. Ad nauseum... Well yes, and isn't this the precise problem filters / killfiles are designed to solve? Hint hint! -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR |