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From: Graeme on 6 Jan 2010 13:50 In message <1jbwtts.1ui74516c41caN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote: > > > > > I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. > > > > I would have thought it was the opposite. > > Macs have been on sale since 1984 - over 25 years by now. > > Think about it. > I have thought about it. I know about 20 people with iPhones of which only 2 of us have Macs. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
From: Michael D on 6 Jan 2010 14:25 On 2010-01-06 17:33:30 +0000, D.M. Procida said: > I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. The OS X Touch installed base (iPod and iPhone) is more than 50 million; the OS X desktop base is said to be about 30-odd million. > know much about it, but I also presume that programming for Macintosh > can't be hugely more difficult or expensive than programming for iPhone. That's not really accurate. iPhone apps are generally little one-job trinkets. Mac apps are usually far deeper, with correspondingly more work involved. > If that's the case, then is there a reason why Macintosh software > couldn't most profitably be sold for the kind of prices thatiPhone > software does, or why a Mac software store along the lines of the iTunes > App store would not also be an incredible roaring success? I think the big question being begged here is that iPhone software being sold at these prices is profitable. Which, for the huge majority of cases, it isn't. The big sales successes on the iPhone are vastly outselling big Mac sales successes, and some of them are exceptionally profitable because they were relatively simple to create, but they're the minority. For the most serious iPhone developers, (excluding the games market, although a lot of this applies there as well), they don't ever see sales in those regions, and the income is considerably less. The established price points are a real worry. Many Mac devs have shelved plans to make iPhone apps, because you simply can't make money with the combination of low-to-medium sales figures at a 59p or £2.99 price point. That's why you see Mac companion apps like Billings charging £8.99 or OmniFocus at more than £10. Both of those were less work than their desktop counterparts, which cost correspondingly more. Consider the iPhone market without games, and you see how bereft of serious app development it really is. (The Tablet's another thing. I don't think there's any question it's going to be store-based. I wonder how well that will work out without the booming iPhone growth behind it.) -M
From: Jochem Huhmann on 6 Jan 2010 14:34 real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) writes: > I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. I'm not so sure about that. If it comes to Mac-users out there willing to buy applications compared to iPhone-users willing to buy applications I would think the iPhones win. > And I don't know much about it, but I also presume that programming > for Macintosh can't be hugely more difficult or expensive than > programming for iPhone. Depends on the app in question. I think for the iPhone you will find *lots* of very simple apps, or even nearly identical ones with different content (ebooks, RSS-feeds or even plain web-apps wrapped in a program). There seem to be small companies turning out apps by the dozen. You can do that with simple, one-task apps but not with full-blown Mac applications. Most iPhone apps are rather similar to Dashboard widgets on the Mac. > If that's the case, then is there a reason why Macintosh software > couldn't most profitably be sold for the kind of prices thatiPhone > software does, or why a Mac software store along the lines of the iTunes > App store would not also be an incredible roaring success? Well, I'm pretty sure that an AppStore for Mac apps will come sooner or later. But do you really think that companies or single developers will sell their one or two applications for single-digit prices then? On the other hand this would surely be very enticing for hobby developers who right now release their simple apps as freeware since they just can't be bothered to handle all the licensing and money handling stuff on their own. And it may well be that with the tablets coming this and the iPhone and the iPod touch (and whatever will come after them) will sooner or later sideline the Mac anyway. In the consumer market the classic desktop computer and laptop may be a dead end. Well, not totally, but the trend is clearly there. Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
From: Rowland McDonnell on 6 Jan 2010 14:56 Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote: > > > > > > > I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. > > > > > > I would have thought it was the opposite. > > > > Macs have been on sale since 1984 - over 25 years by now. > > > > Think about it. > > I have thought about it. I know about 20 people with iPhones of which only 2 > of us have Macs. But that's totally irrelevant. I've got no iPhones in this house and over a dozen Macs[1]. I don't know anyone in real life with an iPhone. I know people in real life with Macs. That's totally irrelevant too. Macs have been on sale for so much longer than iPhones it'd be astonishing if there were not more Macs out here than iPhones. Rowland. [1] Can't be bothered to count. Three are in regular use. Four could easily be in regular use but aren't. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Graeme on 6 Jan 2010 15:12
In message <1jbwxei.fu8n7bf5xpn5N%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > > > > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote: > > > > > > > > > I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. > > > > > > > > I would have thought it was the opposite. > > > > > > Macs have been on sale since 1984 - over 25 years by now. > > > > > > Think about it. > > > > I have thought about it. I know about 20 people with iPhones of which only 2 > > of us have Macs. > > But that's totally irrelevant. Of course it is > > I've got no iPhones in this house and over a dozen Macs[1]. Even on this group I suspect that would put you in a minority > I don't know anyone in real life with an iPhone. Especially on this group I suspect that would put you in a minority. > I know people in real life with Macs. Funnily enough so do I. > > That's totally irrelevant too. Of course. > > Macs have been on sale for so much longer than iPhones it'd be > astonishing if there were not more Macs out here than iPhones. False arguement, while Macs have been around one way or another for 25 years, how many of them are still in operational existance? Everyone[1] who has a personal computer of whatever type has a mobile phone[2], Mac's share of the computer maket is about 8% I believe. I've seen figures suggesting the iPhone has around 35-40% of the mobile market. [1] For a given value of 'everyone'. [2] Then there's all those with a mobile but no computer. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/> |