Macintosh application store
in [UK Mac]
|
Prev: Warning: James Jolley publishes libel
Next: The Older Gent admits to sadistic on-line abuse was Warning: James Jolley publishes libel
From: James Jolley on 6 Jan 2010 15:24 On 2010-01-06 20:12:39 +0000, Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> said: > In message <1jbwxei.fu8n7bf5xpn5N%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland > McDonnell) wrote: > >> Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: >>> >>>> Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. >>>>> >>>>> I would have thought it was the opposite. >>>> >>>> Macs have been on sale since 1984 - over 25 years by now. >>>> >>>> Think about it. >>> >>> I have thought about it. I know about 20 people with iPhones of which only 2 >>> of us have Macs. >> >> But that's totally irrelevant. > > Of course it is > >> >> I've got no iPhones in this house and over a dozen Macs[1]. > > Even on this group I suspect that would put you in a minority > >> I don't know anyone in real life with an iPhone. > > Especially on this group I suspect that would put you in a minority. > > >> I know people in real life with Macs. > > Funnily enough so do I. > >> >> That's totally irrelevant too. > > Of course. > >> >> Macs have been on sale for so much longer than iPhones it'd be >> astonishing if there were not more Macs out here than iPhones. > > False arguement, while Macs have been around one way or another for 25 years, > how many of them are still in operational existance? > > Everyone[1] who has a personal computer of whatever type has a mobile > phone[2], Mac's share of the computer maket is about 8% I believe. I've seen > figures suggesting the iPhone has around 35-40% of the mobile market. > > [1] For a given value of 'everyone'. > > [2] Then there's all those with a mobile but no computer. I'd say you're probably wasting your time with him, he'll probably think you're abusing him if you even attempt to have reasonable viewpoints. Just a warning that's all, he's a prick.
From: Ben Shimmin on 6 Jan 2010 15:32 Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk>: [...] > Everyone[1] who has a personal computer of whatever type has a mobile > phone[2], Mac's share of the computer maket is about 8% I believe. I've > seen figures suggesting the iPhone has around 35-40% of the mobile market. I think that sort of figure would refer to the `smartphone' market, rather than the general mobile phone market. Certainly Apple sold more iPhones last year than they did Macs (and let's not forget about the iPod Touch). b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `It is like Swinburne sat down on his soul's darkest night and designed an organized sport.' -- David Foster Wallace, _Infinite Jest_, on American football
From: Graeme on 6 Jan 2010 17:18 In message <1jbx0j8.1k87y1l11m474cN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > > > > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > [snip] > > > > I've got no iPhones in this house and over a dozen Macs[1]. > > > > Even on this group I suspect that would put you in a minority > > Huh Wha? We're talking about the global market for something, not > what's popular or common or *anything at all* in the set of the > eccentric Mac-using geeks posting here. > > I don't see your point at all. Doesn't surprise me. > > > > I don't know anyone in real life with an iPhone. > > > > Especially on this group I suspect that would put you in a minority. > > So what? What does *this* newsgroup have to do with reality at large? Put in for humerous effect[1] after my previous comment > > I'm sure that of the eight or so households that I'd refer to as `next > door, over the road, and next to them, sortathing', iPhones might exist > in only two of them and I'd not bet that *any* of them have even one > iPhone in the household for sure. > > [snip] > > > > Macs have been on sale for so much longer than iPhones it'd be > > > astonishing if there were not more Macs out here than iPhones. > > > > False arguement, while Macs have been around one way or another for 25 > > years, how many of them are still in operational existance? > > False objection on your part as far as I'm concerned; also, your `false > argument' remark being something I find mildly insulting. You were bound to find something insulting, I find that rather insulting on your part, evens? > > Macs have been around for over 25 years and rather more of them are > working than you might think, of the old ones. AFAIK, all my old 68k > Macs are still in operation. That's normal for a 68k Mac. All the PPC > Macs we bought new died before they'd lasted five years. Again I will point out that you would be something of a minority. > > When Apple stopped selling expensive Macs, it did so by drastically > cutting quality. Irrelevant and controversial. > > Still, what I've read is that Macs overall still last longer than PCs - > a greater fraction of them are working than `dark side' machines, when > comparing numbers built in the first place. And this is counting `bought > as a box of tricks' rather than home-built, from what I can tell of the > traces of data dragged from the depths of my memory. Irrelevant, we weren't discussing the longevity of PCs. > > > Everyone[1] who has a personal computer of whatever type has a mobile > > phone[2], Mac's share of the computer maket is about 8% I believe. > > The Apple share of the recent US PC market might well be a given figure > according to a market analyst. That is however not a relevant point: if > Apple has 8% of the US market, what does that tell us about Apple's > share of the global market? Where did I specify the US, or any other specific, market? > > Nothing at all. > > What matters is what the software market for that platform is - and > that's a lot larger than the figure you give suggests from what I've > heard. You are wandering off the point. > > > I've seen > > figures suggesting the iPhone has around 35-40% of the mobile market. > > The iPhone might have that fraction of the US /smartphone/ You seem obsessed with the US market for some reason, I never menyioned it > > I do suspect that the iPhone has a /tiny/ fraction of the global > cellphone market - so small it's hardly on the graph. Your figures > suggest I'm right: 35%-40% of the smartphone market in the USA indicates > that almost all cellphones in the world are not iPhones. I never mentioned the US. > > Think of the teeming billions of not Western-style-wealthy mobile phone > people out there who can't afford /expensive/ cellphones but need A > cellphone, so... > > > [1] For a given value of 'everyone'. > > I.e., the unrepresentative sample of USians examined by the US firm of > analysts doing the research with the aim of demonstrating that > particular point for the firm that hired them to do so. What's this obsession with the US? [snip rest because I'm getting bored] [1] Failed obviously -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
From: zoara on 6 Jan 2010 18:02 Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: > There seem to be small companies turning out apps by the dozen. There are companies out there churning out apps by the thousand, literally - mainly by appropriating copyrighted material, though this is finally being clamped down upon. One specific ruse I remember was creating "city guides" which were just app wrappers around Wikimedia content. Hundreds of 'em, at something like a fiver each. -zoara- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Bruce Horrocks on 7 Jan 2010 08:15
On 06/01/2010 17:33, D.M. Procida wrote: > I presume that there are more Macs out there than iPhones. And I don't > know much about it, but I also presume that programming for Macintosh > can't be hugely more difficult or expensive than programming for iPhone. > > If that's the case, then is there a reason why Macintosh software > couldn't most profitably be sold for the kind of prices thatiPhone > software does, or why a Mac software store along the lines of the iTunes > App store would not also be an incredible roaring success? In theory... For small developers - yes absolutely. For larger companies, unlikely, I would say. Take, for example, Mathematica. They expend a lot of marketing effort on a website that attracts potential purchasers to their site. Having invested in a large site already, adding the ability to purchase the software on line is a relatively small incremental cost. So handing 30%, or whatever, to Apple makes no sense. In practice... Apple might insist that the apps be Cocoa only, video help be provided, be sciptable etc, whether required or not, which might dissuade small developers, especially those porting 'direct copies' of their Windows apps where the HCI might not be quite up to Apple standards. Regards, -- Bruce Horrocks Surrey England (bruce at scorecrow dot com) |