From: John Navas on
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 01:26:00 -0400, in
<v3r236te2rnkaaf2arsh3n9iket99h41h1(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

>Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

I keep wondering about Dawn. ;)

--
John

"We have met the enemy and he is us" -Pogo
From: John Navas on
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 01:26:00 -0400, in
<v3r236te2rnkaaf2arsh3n9iket99h41h1(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:13:57 -0700, John Navas
><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

>>>>So are you now down to arguing semantics and labels? ;)
>>>
>>>It's always been about that. ...
>>
>>Roger that.
>
>Semantics and labels are important. If you want someone to hand you a
>knife, you don't ask for a fork. You use the right label.

Oh hell, I know I shouldn't do this, but ...

You should have thought that one through in advance --
a fork is still a fork even when it's not being used for its intended
purpose, likewise a knife. My daughter once made a science project with
a couple of forks, and they were still called forks. Likewise a phone
is still a phone even when not making calls. The name is what it is,
not what it's currently being used for.

By your logic a tree falling in the forest with nobody around not only
would be silent, but not even a tree. ;)

NOW HAVE THE LAST WORD, AND THEN PLEASE LET US BURY THE HORSE!!! ;)

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: nospam on
In article <l2u236hutf436goms8pr3g3mv59pc4pdqn(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Semantics and labels are important. If you want someone to hand you a
> >knife, you don't ask for a fork. You use the right label.
>
> Oh hell, I know I shouldn't do this, but ...
>
> You should have thought that one through in advance --
> a fork is still a fork even when it's not being used for its intended
> purpose, likewise a knife. My daughter once made a science project with
> a couple of forks, and they were still called forks. Likewise a phone
> is still a phone even when not making calls. The name is what it is,
> not what it's currently being used for.

wow. you just can't ever admit you're wrong, can you.
From: J. Clarke on
On 7/5/2010 12:30 AM, tony cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 21:16:31 -0700, nospam<nospam(a)nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> In article<fcl236pkbdr20l179bqh8vib0hc9otgamc(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And the main purpose of a phone is to make and receive telephone
>>> calls.
>>
>> except this isn't just a phone, it's a multipurpose device. the phone
>> is one of many functions. some people use the phone part a lot, others
>> don't use it much at all.
>
> "I don't use the phone much" is quite different from "I don't have
> phone service". I'm not discussing the amount of time spent on
> various features. I'm saying that if it doesn't have phone service
> it's silly to call it a phone.

At best it's an unplugged phone.

I guess that if one really wants a PDA one could buy a Treo or the like
with no service, but it seems an expensive way to get one.
From: J. Clarke on
On 7/5/2010 12:59 AM, tony cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 21:37:22 -0700, nospam<nospam(a)nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> In article<pvn236thjol16jjbifu1sahm5airhk2ng6(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> So are you now down to arguing semantics and labels? ;)
>>>
>>> It's always been about that. If it doesn't have phone service, it
>>> shouldn't be called a phone.
>>
>> call it whatever you want. it's still useful without phone service.
>
> I don't argue with that. All those wonderful things you've listed are
> certainly useful for some people.
>
> Me, I want a phone.
>
> A few months ago I was called in on a three week project to grade
> school standard achievement tests for another state. I smoke, and
> there's a gazebo-like building where we smokers were segregated on our
> breaks.
>
> One of the other smokers had this device that did all the things
> you've talked about. (And functioned as a phone) He showed me this
> screen where all of his frequent contacts showed up on the screen as
> little blue dots in their present location. Some sort of GPS
> function, I suppose.
>
> I asked him how he used this feature. He said he never had, but it
> was there for him when he wanted it. Now that's fine for him, but if
> I wanted to know where my wife was at any given time I'd call her on
> my old phone-calls-only Nokia and ask her. Seems like it would serve
> the same purpose.
>
> I can think of a use for it, though. If someone had a
> girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband that they suspected of cheating, the
> blue dot would give them away if it was matched with another blue dot.

Nervous nellies with kids use it to spy on their kids' movements.

> I don't worry about that with my wife, though. I would just worry
> when her blue dot was at Neiman-Marcus or Nordstrom's or
> Bloomingdale's.
>
>