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From: David H. Lipman on 23 Feb 2010 19:35 From: "Bear Bottoms" <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in | news:hm1njd01o1c(a)news3.newsguy.com: >> From: "Karla" <karlark(a)NEVERcomcast.net> >>| On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:00:09 -0500, David H. Lipman wrote: >>>> From: "Karla" <karlark(a)NEVERcomcast.net> >>>>| On 23 Feb 2010 15:34:07 GMT, Gordon wrote: >>>>>> MagicJack (recently promoted by a poster in this group who whinged >>>>>> that it wouldn't work under Linux) just lost a defamation lawsuit >>>>>> that it filed against Boing Boing. The judge dismissed its case >>>>>> and ordered it to pay more than $50,000 in legal costs. >>>>>> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/23/magicjack-dials-wron.html >>>>>> Including info on MagicJacks dodgy EULA. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Gordon >>>>| Mine works great! Why would I care about this??? >>>> You shouldn't do business with a company performing shady business >>>> practices. >>>> This was a *good* warning. >>| You mean like Microsoft??? Who makes Outlook? >> LOL :-) >> Yes, some of Microsoft's practices are *bad*. However they aren't >> like Magic Jack. | And what are those practices David? Did you reaserch based upon this post ? If you did you will find... http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/magicjack-settles-florida-ag/2009-04-16 Many of the complaints were that people were charged during what was supposed to be the free trail period. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/business/article_7b8b67b6-183a-5c49-a4f9-367810c1e738.html "On April 15, Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum's Economic Crimes Division reached a settlement with Magic Jack LP over allegations the company marketed a "free" 30-day trial for its long distance phone equipment, but actually charged and debited consumers during the trial." Go to there official web site. Do you see a link for "contact" or the eluseive EULA, ToS or AUP ? Is there a phone number to speak with customer support or sales ? Apply for the device and service. You have to enter complete contact information and provide credit card information. Still you have no access to company "contact" or the elusive EULA, ToS or AUP. Why is this hidden or obfuscated ? These are RED FLAGS and should tell 'ya to avoid this company and services at all costs. This is part of practicing Safe Hex ! YMax Communications Corp. 5700 Georgia Avenue West Palm Beach, FL 33405 561-594-2140 -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Gordon on 23 Feb 2010 19:38 On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:14:14 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: <snip> >>>> You shouldn't do business with a company performing shady business >>>> practices. >> >>>> This was a *good* warning. >> >>| You mean like Microsoft??? Who makes Outlook? >> >> Yes, some of Microsoft's practices are *bad*. However they aren't like >> Magic Jack. >> > And what are those practices David? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case <http://themoderatevoice.com/56719/court-affirms-patent-infringement- judgement-against-microsoft-word/> <http://www.lecg.com/Files/Publication/63e55772-43fa-4c07- b3ae-17bb30edea8a/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/62077ae9-8413-41cd- bcdc-0071404b9061/D.Sevy_Newport_Art_82.pdf> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/microsoft-plurk-ip-theft.php http://www.jlmpacificepoch.com/newsstories?id=160640_0_5_0_M <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/ microsoft_china_font_ip_infringement/> and "(Bill) Gates is allowed to commit perjury freely at Congressional hearings" http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/134123.asp Try some research -- ox·y·mo·ron n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra or ox·y·mo·rons A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in Microsoft Security, Microsoft Help and Microsoft Works.
From: Gordon on 23 Feb 2010 19:55 On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:14:14 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: > And what are those practices David? Ymax Communications Corporation Fraud and rip off! <http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/ymax-communications- corporation-c57434.html> Rippoff Report <http://www.ripoffreport.com/telephone-companies/ymax-communications/ymax- communications-corporatio-c2pbm.htm> Google Search on MagicJack +ripoff <http://www.google.co.uk/search? hl=en&ei=U3iES62MOcK5jAeF5tCJAg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAQQBSgA&q=magicJack +%2Bripoff&spell=1> Results 1 - 10 of about 16,800 for magicJack +ripoff. (0.07 seconds) Reasearch, Research, Research! -- ox·y·mo·ron n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra or ox·y·mo·rons A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in Microsoft Security, Microsoft Help and Microsoft Works.
From: »Q« on 23 Feb 2010 20:27 In <news:4b843eb1$0$283$14726298(a)news.sunsite.dk>, Gordon <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:34:07 +0000, Gordon wrote: > > > MagicJack (recently promoted by a poster in this group who whinged > > that it wouldn't work under Linux) just lost a defamation lawsuit > > that it filed against Boing Boing. The judge dismissed its case and > > ordered it to pay more than $50,000 in legal costs. > > From the EULA. > > "You also understand and agree that use of the magicJack device and > Software will include advertisements and that these advertisements > are necessary for the magicJack device to work ... Our computers may > analyze the phone numbers you call in order to improve the relevance > of the ads" Ah, the 50K judgment against them couldn't have happened to a nicer company. I wonder how many other ways they screw their customers, but I don't wonder enough to bother searching.
From: Gordon Darling on 23 Feb 2010 20:31
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:29:06 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: <snip> > I've done the best kind of research that can be done with Magic Jack. > I've had and used one for over three years. You can't touch that kind of > research. It is a great cheap versatile portable telephone you can take > with you and use anywhere in the world for less than $30 per year. Eat > your heart out. With the bad publicity they have had and the ridiculous EULA I wouldn't touch it! YMMV -- ox·y·mo·ron n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra or ox·y·mo·rons A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in Microsoft Security, Microsoft Help and Microsoft Works. |