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From: Bitzer on 18 Apr 2010 17:50 Running Mail 4.2 (1078) under OS X 10.6.3 and can't find a way to get a return receipt for email I send. Am I missing something here?
From: Jolly Roger on 18 Apr 2010 18:18 In article <hqfur2$4u6$1(a)news.albasani.net>, Bitzer <bitzer(a)spam.net> wrote: > Running Mail 4.2 (1078) under OS X 10.6.3 and can't find a way to get a > return receipt for email I send. Am I missing something here? Return Receipt is useless. First of all, it assumes the email client on the receiving end supports it, and not all do. Second, if the receiving email client does support it, most will not actually send a return receipt without first asking the person on the receiving end first - and most people will simply click "Do Not Send". Third, and perhaps most importantly, even if the person on the other end opens the message, it's no indication that they actually read the message. To further exacerbate this, some email clients are scriptable, so it's possible to do all sorts of things with a message (including reading it or exporting it or whatever) without triggering a return receipt. All of this makes Return Receipt a useless, faulty feature, which is why most modern email clients either don't support it at all or have it turned off by default. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Bitzer on 18 Apr 2010 18:58 Jolly Roger wrote: > In article <hqfur2$4u6$1(a)news.albasani.net>, Bitzer <bitzer(a)spam.net> > wrote: > >> Running Mail 4.2 (1078) under OS X 10.6.3 and can't find a way to get a >> return receipt for email I send. Am I missing something here? > > Return Receipt is useless. > > First of all, it assumes the email client on the receiving end supports > it, and not all do. > > Second, if the receiving email client does support it, most will not > actually send a return receipt without first asking the person on the > receiving end first - and most people will simply click "Do Not Send". > > Third, and perhaps most importantly, even if the person on the other end > opens the message, it's no indication that they actually read the > message. To further exacerbate this, some email clients are scriptable, > so it's possible to do all sorts of things with a message (including > reading it or exporting it or whatever) without triggering a return > receipt. > > All of this makes Return Receipt a useless, faulty feature, which is why > most modern email clients either don't support it at all or have it > turned off by default. > So you can't find it either, eh?
From: Jolly Roger on 18 Apr 2010 19:05 In article <hqg2q7$ks5$2(a)news.albasani.net>, Bitzer <bitzer(a)spam.net> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > > In article <hqfur2$4u6$1(a)news.albasani.net>, Bitzer <bitzer(a)spam.net> > > wrote: > > > >> Running Mail 4.2 (1078) under OS X 10.6.3 and can't find a way to get a > >> return receipt for email I send. Am I missing something here? > > > > Return Receipt is useless. > > > > First of all, it assumes the email client on the receiving end supports > > it, and not all do. > > > > Second, if the receiving email client does support it, most will not > > actually send a return receipt without first asking the person on the > > receiving end first - and most people will simply click "Do Not Send". > > > > Third, and perhaps most importantly, even if the person on the other end > > opens the message, it's no indication that they actually read the > > message. To further exacerbate this, some email clients are scriptable, > > so it's possible to do all sorts of things with a message (including > > reading it or exporting it or whatever) without triggering a return > > receipt. > > > > All of this makes Return Receipt a useless, faulty feature, which is why > > most modern email clients either don't support it at all or have it > > turned off by default. > > > So you can't find it either, eh? Find it? I've actually used it with Mail and Entourage in the past. I've even written my own custom scripts to extend Mail and Entourage return receipt functionality in the past. Google much? -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Warren Oates on 18 Apr 2010 19:30
In article <hqg2q7$ks5$2(a)news.albasani.net>, Bitzer <bitzer(a)spam.net> wrote: > So you can't find it either, eh? This is one instance where JR is right. There's no such thing as an "automatic" return receipt -- no one's computer is going to send email these days without authorization, unless it's been compromised. I occasionally get a "please click here" button that I dutifully ignore. I'm not even sure if it was _ever_ part of the relevant RFCs, and I'm too lazy to look it up. I don't like call-waiting either. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer |