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From: Stephen Powell on 19 Mar 2010 09:20
Historically, debian-user, and all of the Debian mailing lists,
have had a rule that you post and reply only to the list, and that
you do not CC anybody unless they explicitly request a CC. I have
been following that rule. However ...

Recently, someone posted something to the list and CCed me.
Since I am subscribed to the list, I get a private e-mail for
each posting to the list. If a poster also CCs me, I have been used
to getting two copies: one directly (via the CC) and one indirectly
(via the list server). But on this occasion, I got only one copy.

That makes me wonder if the list server has been "smartened up"
recently. Perhaps a list subscriber is no longer sent a copy of
a posting if his e-mail address is explicitly listed in the TO,
CC, or BCC fields. Is that the case? If so, I wonder why that
change was not made long ago. It would eliminate a lot of problems.
We could CC the poster without fear that he will get two copies
and thus complain.

Does this mean that it is OK to CC people now, without a CC
being requested? Or do many people read the list via the web
interface to the mailing list archives without being subscribed
and will still get annoyed if they are CCed? I need some
guidance here. There have been a number of times that I have
not CCed people because they didn't explicitly ask for it,
but because they thought their problem was now solved, they
were not looking at the list anymore and therefore didn't see
my follow-up post offering a correction to an earlier mistake,
etc.

I don't want people to miss posts because they aren't looking.
But neither do I want to annoy people.

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From: Thierry Chatelet on 19 Mar 2010 10:00
On Friday 19 March 2010 14:17:56 Stephen Powell wrote:
> There have been a number of times that I have
> not CCed people because they didn't explicitly ask for it,


That' s it. Continue!
Thierry


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From: Johan Grönqvist on 19 Mar 2010 10:00
Stephen Powell skrev:
> Does this mean that it is OK to CC people now, without a CC
> being requested? Or do many people read the list via the web
> interface to the mailing list archives without being subscribed
> and will still get annoyed if they are CCed?


As a humble user, I do not know, but I want to mention two things:

1) The debian homepage at
<http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct> asks not to CC
unless explicitly requested to.

2) At least I read the debian lists via the nntp-interface at
news.gmane.org, and find that to be a very convenient way, as I can
access the list (using icedove) without getting lots of mails to my
private email account(s). Thus I am not subscribed to any debian lists,
but read more than a dozen of them. I have no idea how common that
practice is, and gmane.org seems not to provide such statistics.


Regards

Johan


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From: Andrei Popescu on 19 Mar 2010 10:20
On Fri,19.Mar.10, 09:17:56, Stephen Powell wrote:

> Recently, someone posted something to the list and CCed me.
> Since I am subscribed to the list, I get a private e-mail for
> each posting to the list. If a poster also CCs me, I have been used
> to getting two copies: one directly (via the CC) and one indirectly
> (via the list server). But on this occasion, I got only one copy.

How long has it been? The mail could be stuck on its way (greylisting)
or some spam filter.

> That makes me wonder if the list server has been "smartened up"
> recently. Perhaps a list subscriber is no longer sent a copy of
> a posting if his e-mail address is explicitly listed in the TO,
> CC, or BCC fields. Is that the case? If so, I wonder why that
> change was not made long ago. It would eliminate a lot of problems.
> We could CC the poster without fear that he will get two copies
> and thus complain.

I personally wouldn't like such a change. I very much prefer to
sometimes get CC'd by mistake (I usually just ignore it).

Regards,
Andrei
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From: Camaleón on 19 Mar 2010 10:30
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:17:56 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:

(...)

> Recently, someone posted something to the list and CCed me. Since I am
> subscribed to the list, I get a private e-mail for each posting to the
> list. If a poster also CCs me, I have been used to getting two copies:
> one directly (via the CC) and one indirectly (via the list server). But
> on this occasion, I got only one copy.

And the copy you got, was the e-mail coming from the list server or was
the direct reply? :-?

> That makes me wonder if the list server has been "smartened up"
> recently.

I hope not :-)

I prefer me (the user) to choose what to do with those e-mails.

> Perhaps a list subscriber is no longer sent a copy of a
> posting if his e-mail address is explicitly listed in the TO, CC, or BCC
> fields. Is that the case? If so, I wonder why that change was not made
> long ago. It would eliminate a lot of problems. We could CC the poster
> without fear that he will get two copies and thus complain.

I have to monitor that :-?

> Does this mean that it is OK to CC people now, without a CC being
> requested?

That would be quite annoying.

> Or do many people read the list via the web interface to the
> mailing list archives without being subscribed and will still get
> annoyed if they are CCed?

I am not susbcribed, but I read/follow the list (and send posts) via
Gmane.

> I need some guidance here. There have been a
> number of times that I have not CCed people because they didn't
> explicitly ask for it, but because they thought their problem was now
> solved, they were not looking at the list anymore and therefore didn't
> see my follow-up post offering a correction to an earlier mistake, etc.
>
> I don't want people to miss posts because they aren't looking. But
> neither do I want to annoy people.

If people do not read the list is up to them, don't you think? :-)

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