Mass-Energy Equivalence [Math]

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From: mpc755 on 6 Apr 2010 18:23

On Apr 6, 6:08Â pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 2:34Â pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf
>
> > "A possible candidate for dark energy that avoids some of the fine-
> > tuning problems associated with the cosmological is quintessence, a
> > very low-energy field with a wavelength comparable to the size of the
> > known universe. In addition to its effect on the expansion of the
> > universe, quintessence might also manifest itself through its possible
> > interactions with matter and radiation."
>
> >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quintessence
>
> > "quinÂ·tesÂ·sence
> > â â/kwÉªnËtÉsÉns/ Show Spelled[kwin-tes-uhns] Show IPA
> > ânoun
> > 1. the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.
> > 2. the most perfect embodiment of something.
> > 3. (in ancient and medieval philosophy) the fifth essence or element,
> > ether, supposed to be the constituent matter of the heavenly bodies"
>
> > A low-energy field with a wavelength comparable to the size of the
> > known universe is aether as a one something.
>
> > Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
>
> > Matter is compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter.
>
> > Aether is the pure essence of matter.
>
> > "quintessence might also manifest itself through its possible
> > interactions with matter"
>
> > Aether interacts with matter by being displaced by matter.
>
> > The pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter manifests itself as
> > gravity.
>
> > The physical effects the expansion of matter transitioning to aether
> > has on the neighboring matter and aether manifests itself as energy.
>
> > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
> > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
> > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
> > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
> > and matter is energy.
>
> Why would the universal speed limit squared define the fundamental
> energy in mass?
>
> Mitch Raemsch

It could be the relationship of matter to aether. The equation may be
written as:

A=Mc^2, where A is Aether and M is matter.

From: Tim Little on 6 Apr 2010 20:56

On 2010-04-06, Tony M <marcuac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 2. E=mc2 is valid (in all situations, not just at one's own
> convenience).

E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2 is the *correct* equation in relativity, with
p representing momentum. The greatly publicized E = m c^2 is a
simplification, in the case where p = 0.

- Tim

From: BURT on 6 Apr 2010 21:31

On Apr 6, 3:23Â pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 6:08Â pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 6, 2:34Â pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf
>
> > > "A possible candidate for dark energy that avoids some of the fine-
> > > tuning problems associated with the cosmological is quintessence, a
> > > very low-energy field with a wavelength comparable to the size of the
> > > known universe. In addition to its effect on the expansion of the
> > > universe, quintessence might also manifest itself through its possible
> > > interactions with matter and radiation."
>
> > >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quintessence
>
> > > "quinÂ·tesÂ·sence
> > > â â/kwÉªnËtÉsÉns/ Show Spelled[kwin-tes-uhns] Show IPA
> > > ânoun
> > > 1. the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.
> > > 2. the most perfect embodiment of something.
> > > 3. (in ancient and medieval philosophy) the fifth essence or element,
> > > ether, supposed to be the constituent matter of the heavenly bodies"
>
> > > A low-energy field with a wavelength comparable to the size of the
> > > known universe is aether as a one something.
>
> > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
>
> > > Matter is compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter.
>
> > > Aether is the pure essence of matter.
>
> > > "quintessence might also manifest itself through its possible
> > > interactions with matter"
>
> > > Aether interacts with matter by being displaced by matter.
>
> > > The pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter manifests itself as
> > > gravity.
>
> > > The physical effects the expansion of matter transitioning to aether
> > > has on the neighboring matter and aether manifests itself as energy.
>
> > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
> > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
> > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
> > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
> > > and matter is energy.
>
> > Why would the universal speed limit squared define the fundamental
> > energy in mass?
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> It could be the relationship of matter to aether. The equation may be
> written as:
>
> A=Mc^2, where A is Aether and M is matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Abusing that mathematical truth is important for you to not get away
with. You do so at your own peril.

Mitch Raemsch

From: Androcles on 6 Apr 2010 22:17

"Tim Little" <tim(a)little-possums.net> wrote in message
news:slrnhrnm1n.jrj.tim(a)soprano.little-possums.net...
> On 2010-04-06, Tony M <marcuac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2. E=mc2 is valid (in all situations, not just at one's own
>> convenience).
>
> E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2 is the *correct* equation in relativity, with
> p representing momentum. The greatly publicized E = m c^2 is a
> simplification, in the case where p = 0.
>
>
> - Tim

Another one that doesn't know what a square is.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MC2.htm

From: Tony M on 6 Apr 2010 23:17

On Apr 6, 8:56 pm, Tim Little <t...(a)little-possums.net> wrote:
> On 2010-04-06, Tony M <marc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2. E=mc2 is valid (in all situations, not just at ones own
> > convenience).
>
> E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2 is the *correct* equation in relativity, with
> p representing momentum. The greatly publicized E = m c^2 is a
> simplification, in the case where p = 0.
>
> - Tim

Hi Tim,

In your equation, m being the rest or invariable mass, if you
substitute p = gamma*m*v and simplify the equation you will end up
with E = gamma*m*c^2 which is the equation for the total energy,
gamma*m being the relativistic mass as measured in any arbitrary
inertial frame of reference. In my equation by m I meant the
relativistic mass m=gamma*m0, where m0 would be the rest or invariable
mass.