Mass-Energy Equivalence [Math]

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From: mpc755 on 7 Apr 2010 09:26

On Apr 7, 1:49 am, "Now that is one happy monkey."
<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 9:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 6, 12:47 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > > mpc755 wrote:
> > > > On Apr 6, 10:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >> Normally we apply the word "mass" to OBJECTS, not to collections of unbound
> > > >> objects. In the initial state the electron and the positron EACH have a mass,
> > > >> and the total mass is 1.022 MeV/c^2. In the final state the gammas each have
> > > >> zero mass, and the total mass is 0. The total energies of the initial and final
> > > >> states are the same. The total kinetic energy of the initial state is 0, but the
> > > >> total kinetic energy of the final state is 1.022 MeV. These units have c=1, and
> > > >> it is obvious that mass was indeed converted to kinetic energy.
>
> > > > Stating the 'total mass is 0' is misleading. The mass still exists.
>
> > > No. I am using these words with their standard meanings in modern physics. There
> > > is no mass in that final state.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
>
> > "According to the theory of relativity, mass and energy as commonly
> > understood, are two names for the same thing, and neither one is
> > changed or transformed into the other. Rather, neither one appears
> > without the other. Rather than mass being changed into energy, the
> > view of relativity is that rest mass has been changed to a more mobile
> > form of mass, but remains mass. In this process, neither the amount of
> > mass nor the amount of energy changes. Thus, if energy changes type
> > and leaves a system, it simply takes its mass with it. If either mass
> > or energy disappears from a system, it will always be found that both
> > have simply moved off to another place."
>
> > What is being described in the paragraph above is matter transitioning
> > to aether.
>
> Check out "heretical" aether-friendly views in "Galilean
> Electrodynamics" and "Physics Essays", two obscure journals

Doing a search of 'aether' from here:
http://physicsessays.aip.org/journals/doc/PHESEM-home/

Shows a lot of very interesting articles.

Thanks.

From: mpc755 on 7 Apr 2010 10:34

On Apr 7, 12:57 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 12:47 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > mpc755 wrote:
> > > On Apr 6, 10:29 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> Normally we apply the word "mass" to OBJECTS, not to collections of unbound
> > >> objects. In the initial state the electron and the positron EACH have a mass,
> > >> and the total mass is 1.022 MeV/c^2. In the final state the gammas each have
> > >> zero mass, and the total mass is 0. The total energies of the initial and final
> > >> states are the same. The total kinetic energy of the initial state is 0, but the
> > >> total kinetic energy of the final state is 1.022 MeV. These units have c=1, and
> > >> it is obvious that mass was indeed converted to kinetic energy.
>
> > > Stating the 'total mass is 0' is misleading. The mass still exists.
>
> > No. I am using these words with their standard meanings in modern physics. There
> > is no mass in that final state.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
>
> "According to the theory of relativity, mass and energy as commonly
> understood, are two names for the same thing, and neither one is
> changed or transformed into the other. Rather, neither one appears
> without the other. Rather than mass being changed into energy, the
> view of relativity is that rest mass has been changed to a more mobile
> form of mass, but remains mass. In this process, neither the amount of
> mass nor the amount of energy changes. Thus, if energy changes type
> and leaves a system, it simply takes its mass with it. If either mass
> or energy disappears from a system, it will always be found that both
> have simply moved off to another place."
>
> What is being described in the paragraph above is matter transitioning
> to aether.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence

"The equation E = mc2 indicates that energy always exhibits mass in
whatever form the energy takes. It does not imply that mass may be
converted to energy, for modern theory holds that neither mass nor
energy may be destroyed, but only moved from one location to another."

Matter and aether are different states of the same material.

In terms of E=mc^2, Energy is the physical effect matter transitioning
to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether.

The mass does not 'convert' to energy.

From: spudnik on 7 Apr 2010 15:05

well, you can't rely on every thing that you read in a Wiki,
either. that is just silly;
when two quanta of hydrogen are fuzed to make one
of helium, some of the matter is "converted"
into energy. when one combines a quantum of hydrogen and
one of antihydrogen, ideally, all of the matter converts.

aether is just mental fluff around electromagnetism!

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
> "The equation E = mc2 indicates that energy always exhibits mass in
> whatever form the energy takes. It does not imply that mass may be
> converted to energy, for modern theory holds that neither mass nor
> energy may be destroyed, but only moved from one location to another."

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From: spudnik on 7 Apr 2010 15:08

NB: the equation, E=mcc, may not be in the best form,
regarding "dimensional analysis;" but,
that's just algebra.

thus:
well, you can't rely on every thing that you read in a Wiki,
either. that is just silly;
when two quanta of hydrogen are fuzed to make one
of helium, some of the matter is "converted"
into energy. when one combines a quantum of hydrogen and
one of antihydrogen, ideally, all of the matter converts.

aether is just mental fluff around electromagnetism!

> "The equation E = mc2 indicates that energy always exhibits mass in
> whatever form the energy takes. It does not imply that mass may be
> converted to energy, for modern theory holds that neither mass nor
> energy may be destroyed, but only moved from one location to another."

--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com
http://21stcenturysciencetech.com
http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com

From: BURT on 7 Apr 2010 16:12

On Apr 6, 9:04Â pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 9:31Â pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 6, 3:23Â pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 6, 6:08Â pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 6, 2:34Â pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf
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> > > > > "A possible candidate for dark energy that avoids some of the fine-
> > > > > tuning problems associated with the cosmological is quintessence, a
> > > > > very low-energy field with a wavelength comparable to the size of the
> > > > > known universe. In addition to its effect on the expansion of the
> > > > > universe, quintessence might also manifest itself through its possible
> > > > > interactions with matter and radiation."
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> > > > >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quintessence
>
> > > > > "quinÂ·tesÂ·sence
> > > > > â â/kwÉªnËtÉsÉns/ Show Spelled[kwin-tes-uhns] Show IPA
> > > > > ânoun
> > > > > 1. the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.
> > > > > 2. the most perfect embodiment of something.
> > > > > 3. (in ancient and medieval philosophy) the fifth essence or element,
> > > > > ether, supposed to be the constituent matter of the heavenly bodies"
>
> > > > > A low-energy field with a wavelength comparable to the size of the
> > > > > known universe is aether as a one something.
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> > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
>
> > > > > Matter is compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter.
>
> > > > > Aether is the pure essence of matter.
>
> > > > > "quintessence might also manifest itself through its possible
> > > > > interactions with matter"
>
> > > > > Aether interacts with matter by being displaced by matter.
>
> > > > > The pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter manifests itself as
> > > > > gravity.
>
> > > > > The physical effects the expansion of matter transitioning to aether
> > > > > has on the neighboring matter and aether manifests itself as energy.
>
> > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > > > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
> > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
> > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
> > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
> > > > > and matter is energy.
>
> > > > Why would the universal speed limit squared define the fundamental
> > > > energy in mass?
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > It could be the relationship of matter to aether. The equation may be
> > > written as:
>
> > > A=Mc^2, where A is Aether and M is matter.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > Abusing that mathematical truth is important for you to not get away
> > with. You do so at your own peril.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> I am simply pointing out there is a relationship to matter and aether
> and what we define as 'energy' is the physical effects matter
> transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether. In
> this regard:
>
> A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And why do you think this?

The quantity aether has is a rate of flow.

Mitch Raemnsch; Dark aether flow