Microsoft ending newsgroup support
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From: David Ching on 7 May 2010 11:10 "BobF" <nothanks(a)no.spam> wrote in message news:uAlJgRf7KHA.1888(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > The example I posted from is a FREE nntp server. > > There is also news.aioe.org and news.telesweet.net > Thanks Bob. I thought your example was the audio sw newsgroup you were talking about! :-O -- David
From: Michael Fosmire [MSFT] on 7 May 2010 12:59 ....and they have been fixed. Thanks! -mike "Michael Fosmire [MSFT]" <mikefos(a)online.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:87DED77A-89DB-409A-B704-C9402C521B01(a)microsoft.com... > Hey David, > > I've requested that the author fix those grammatical errors. > > -mike > > "David Scambler" <aa(a)aa> wrote in message > news:Xns9D70A6CE5992FDavidScambler(a)203.50.5.233... >> Joseph M. Newcomer <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in >> news:3hi1u517hmbrh029mfr8sbl0bjimhk7n54(a)4ax.com: >> >>> This is sad. What is worse, they have an "NNTP bridge" mechanism (I >>> found it on http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums ) that is >>> supposed to let us use our professionally-designed and >> >> Speaking of adult supervision, who taught the nntp bridge folk to write >> an >> english sentence? >> >> "In developing this application, our team's goal is to enable a way for >> our >> customers out there who wants to participate in the Microsoft Forum >> communities, but does not yet find themselves comfortable with the >> transition from the newsreader interface to the Forums Web interface." >>
From: Pete Delgado on 7 May 2010 13:13 "Tom Serface" <tom(a)camaswood.com> wrote in message news:ue$VuEK7KHA.5708(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > I've just been using the web interface and it's not so bad once you get > used to it. I have to be careful not to accidentally do something that > makes it go "back" or I lose everything I've typed and offline work is not > possible, but it's not too bad. > Tom, I don't really have a problem with the manner in which the interface works, but rather what is lost. For example, with nntp you can download all current messages for offline viewing. While you can certainly try to cache the forum using IE or a variety of other tools, I suspect that the JavaScript code that guides the beahviour of the forum will not allow this to work properly. ....and speaking of JavaScript, people like Joe who refuse to allow it to run on their machines are removed from the community. Thus we lose Joe's valuable experience and knowledge. Then we have the case of mobile devices on which these relatively "heavy" pages either do not render properly or are sluggish or inoperable because of the scripting behind the pages or the size of the download. As a relatively "lightweight" technology, the pure text newsgroup is much better for mobile devices. Take a look at the size of each page that must be downloaded from the forums on a mobile device. Most of what is downloaded for each page is boilerplate markup and script. While some browsers can cache external script and CSS files, the html written for the forums appears to not optimize that aspect. I also dislike the fact that posters and responders cannot remain anonymous. I think it restricts the discussion. Finally, I believe I may have already mentioned that you cannot filter out particular posts, subjects etc. with the forum software. Something that you can do with many newsreader clients. -Pete
From: Bo Persson on 7 May 2010 13:31 Tom Serface wrote: > I think the link posted *is* the new place. There is not a new > newsgroup, but I'm glad that MSFT did open up an MFC forum. It > shows that they are still serious about supporting MFC. They could > have, just as easily, lumped us in with C++ General and C++ > Language like they had done previously. > Tom Well, I rather meant that not all of us here will show up there. If the forum style is the only way of following these discussions, I'm out. Bo Persson > > "Bo Persson" <bop(a)gmb.dk> wrote in message > news:84gdevFhe9U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Ajay Kalra wrote: >>>> There is an MFC >>>> forum:http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads >>> >>> Is this going to be the new place for those who are here? >> >> No.
From: Hector Santos on 7 May 2010 14:25
Bo Persson wrote: > Tom Serface wrote: >> I think the link posted *is* the new place. There is not a new >> newsgroup, but I'm glad that MSFT did open up an MFC forum. It >> shows that they are still serious about supporting MFC. They could >> have, just as easily, lumped us in with C++ General and C++ >> Language like they had done previously. >> Tom > > Well, I rather meant that not all of us here will show up there. > > If the forum style is the only way of following these discussions, I'm > out. Bo, don't worry, either they will fix the NNTP bridge or someone will do a better job. I am interested myself of writing a NNTP gateway. Plus I envision better desktop clients that specifically provide tech support as you want it without all the candy and extras. The problem with the desktop issue is that I feel you will get that with many vendors as they see this as been a very good way to offer better services. I know because that is what we have as well for a long time. It works for us because we have a dedicated service. It might work for Microsoft too. X number of people like Online (Web) Y number of people like Online (Native GUI) Z number of people line Store and Forward (RFC-based protocols) To assume X and Z will fully accept and adopt X method is both naive and not fully understanding of the customer support spectrum. I think MS is making some hard decisions before they haven't abandon the idea that there are multiple portals of customer support. The Live Framework SDK is available for any young punk entrepreneur to do anything he wants. -- HLS |