Microsoft ending newsgroup support
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From: Hector Santos on 10 May 2010 17:54 Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: >> I think that everyone will take his own strategy to arrangre >> with the situation and think that therefore many excellelent >> "communities" will break. > *** > Since the newsgroups live indpendent of the Microsoft servers, the issue is, for example, > whether our particiation in unsponsored-by-Microsoft newsgroups counts towards our MVP > status. > **** Is that what you are really concern about? :) >> What can we do against that? Is there any chance at all? > **** > As far as I can tell, none whatsoever. Because we are not really "real" in the view of > the people making these decisions. We're some weird subgroup that doesn't really > understand How The Real World Works, which is whatever fantasy is currently in the head of > some decision-maker inside Microsoft. > joe Well Joe, it looks like the plan is to remove the microsoft.* so unless someone is going to take over the adminstration, they are gone once microsoft plugs the msnews.microsoft.com server(s) pull. See http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/67439c68236e7e35# http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/e9ec576003ce3fab# -- HLS
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 10 May 2010 21:49 See below... On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:54:41 -0400, Hector Santos <sant9442(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: > >>> I think that everyone will take his own strategy to arrangre >>> with the situation and think that therefore many excellelent >>> "communities" will break. >> *** >> Since the newsgroups live indpendent of the Microsoft servers, the issue is, for example, >> whether our particiation in unsponsored-by-Microsoft newsgroups counts towards our MVP >> status. >> **** > > >Is that what you are really concern about? :) **** I've been an MVP for 15 consecutive years, and it is kind of a cool thing. I'd hate to lose out on that because my contributions weren't counted because they were "outside" the Microsoft newsgroups. That would be really tacky. **** > >>> What can we do against that? Is there any chance at all? >> **** >> As far as I can tell, none whatsoever. Because we are not really "real" in the view of >> the people making these decisions. We're some weird subgroup that doesn't really >> understand How The Real World Works, which is whatever fantasy is currently in the head of >> some decision-maker inside Microsoft. >> joe > > >Well Joe, it looks like the plan is to remove the microsoft.* so >unless someone is going to take over the adminstration, they are gone >once microsoft plugs the msnews.microsoft.com server(s) pull. **** It seems that the loss of the msnews servers won't have any impact on the newsgroups, which have a life of their own. joe **** > >See > >http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/67439c68236e7e35# >http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/e9ec576003ce3fab# Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Mihai N. on 11 May 2010 03:48 > What can we do against that? Is there any chance at all? Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things that I can; And the wisdom to know the difference. I guess most MVPs decided already this cannot be changed. And most of us tried to convince MS again and again the this is not good. But probably they think that the old grumpy ones will go away, the ones who can adapt will adapt, new ones will come, and all will be well. The schools that makes executies seem to teach that people are like cogs that can easily be changed with others. But maybe they are right. Who am I to tell? -- Mihai Nita [Microsoft MVP, Visual C++] http://www.mihai-nita.net ------------------------------------------ Replace _year_ with _ to get the real email
From: Hector Santos on 11 May 2010 09:11 Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: > See below... > On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:54:41 -0400, Hector Santos <sant9442(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: >> >>>> I think that everyone will take his own strategy to arrangre >>>> with the situation and think that therefore many excellelent >>>> "communities" will break. >>> *** >>> Since the newsgroups live indpendent of the Microsoft servers, the issue is, for example, >>> whether our particiation in unsponsored-by-Microsoft newsgroups counts towards our MVP >>> status. >>> **** >> >> Is that what you are really concern about? :) > **** > I've been an MVP for 15 consecutive years, and it is kind of a cool thing. I'd hate to > lose out on that because my contributions weren't counted because they were "outside" the > Microsoft newsgroups. That would be really tacky. > **** I hear you, but why would expect any organization to develop user support "Team" outside their venues? They need to keep the groups as a recognized support avenue. >> Well Joe, it looks like the plan is to remove the microsoft.* so >> unless someone is going to take over the adminstration, they are gone >> once microsoft plugs the msnews.microsoft.com server(s) pull. > **** > It seems that the loss of the msnews servers won't have any impact on the newsgroups, > which have a life of their own. > joe Not if the microsoft.* newsgroups are removed as expected to occur. Did you bother to read the links I provided? Here there are again: http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/67439c68236e7e35# http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/e9ec576003ce3fab# -- HLS
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 11 May 2010 11:37
I was once working for a compiler company; more than half the programmers had PhDs. New management came in, and the new president said "I don't understand why we have all these high-cost programmers. Mellon Bank is laying off programmers, and we can get them cheap." So ultimately, he felt that you could replace PhDs who understood compiler theory, code generation, etc. with COBOL programmers who did financial programming. Clueless. When most of those overpriced programmers ultimately left, the company was in serious trouble. joe On Tue, 11 May 2010 00:48:04 -0700, "Mihai N." <nmihai_year_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> What can we do against that? Is there any chance at all? > Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; > The courage to change the things that I can; > And the wisdom to know the difference. > >I guess most MVPs decided already this cannot be changed. >And most of us tried to convince MS again and again the this is not good. >But probably they think that the old grumpy ones will go away, the ones >who can adapt will adapt, new ones will come, and all will be well. >The schools that makes executies seem to teach that people are like cogs >that can easily be changed with others. >But maybe they are right. Who am I to tell? Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm |