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From: Mark Allums on 16 Mar 2010 12:20 On 3/16/2010 11:07 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-03-16 16:35 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: >> A real problem is that Debian is not compatible with the proprietary >> driver. Routine system maintenance overwrites files and ruins >> configurations, requiring reconfiguration. The proprietary driver is >> not packaged like a regular Debian package, and is not installed "in >> the Debian Way". This has up to now been mostly harmless, but things >> could be better. > > Why not use nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from non-free which > _are_ available as regular Debian packages? They do not suffer from the > problems that you describe here. They suffer from other problems. The main one being that they are usually uninstallable. At least, in my experience, apt/aptitude/Synaptic refuse to install it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4B9FAE83.3080205(a)allums.com
From: Sven Joachim on 16 Mar 2010 12:50 On 2010-03-16 17:14 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: > On 3/16/2010 11:07 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2010-03-16 16:35 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: > >>> A real problem is that Debian is not compatible with the proprietary >>> driver. Routine system maintenance overwrites files and ruins >>> configurations, requiring reconfiguration. The proprietary driver is >>> not packaged like a regular Debian package, and is not installed "in >>> the Debian Way". This has up to now been mostly harmless, but things >>> could be better. >> >> Why not use nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from non-free which >> _are_ available as regular Debian packages? They do not suffer from the >> problems that you describe here. > > > They suffer from other problems. The main one being that they are > usually uninstallable. At least, in my experience, > apt/aptitude/Synaptic refuse to install it. Because there is usually no pre-built kernel module�; you have to build one yourself, e.g. with module-assistant: # aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source # m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source # aptitude install nvidia-glx Sven � Yes, this sucks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tysg2p7c.fsf(a)turtle.gmx.de
From: Mark Allums on 16 Mar 2010 13:50 On 3/16/2010 11:42 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> Why not use nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from non-free which >>> _are_ available as regular Debian packages? They do not suffer from the >>> problems that you describe here. >> >> They suffer from other problems. The main one being that they are >> usually uninstallable. At least, in my experience, >> apt/aptitude/Synaptic refuse to install it. > > Because there is usually no pre-built kernel module�; you have to build > one yourself, e.g. with module-assistant: > > # aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source > # m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source > # aptitude install nvidia-glx Where is this documented, or in other words, how are we expected to know this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4B9FC34A.1060506(a)allums.com
From: Stephen Powell on 16 Mar 2010 14:00 On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:42:15 -0400 (EDT), Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-03-16 17:14 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: >> >> They suffer from other problems. The main one being that they are >> usually uninstallable. At least, in my experience, >> apt/aptitude/Synaptic refuse to install it. > > Because there is usually no pre-built kernel module¹; you have to build > one yourself, e.g. with module-assistant: > > # aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source > # m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source > # aptitude install nvidia-glx > > ¹ Yes, this [is unfortunate]. Maybe one of these days, when I feel more adventuresome, I may give this a try myself. I have two systems at home with Nvidia video cards. The trouble is, they're OLD Nvidia cards. The proprietary driver may have dropped support for them by now. RIVA TNT2 and GeForce2 MX/MX 400 are the respective chipsets, if I recall correctly. And nv works. And I don't do much with it. I use X primarily for web browsing, including the use of a web-based e-mail client. Occasionally, I play a simple 2D game, such as solitaire or mahjong. I don't run anything intense, such as Google Earth. So I have very little incentive to try it. But someday, if I get bored, maybe I'll give it a try. Oh, one more thing. Does the proprietary Nvidia driver support interlaced video modes? I have one monitor which requires an interlaced mode in order to eliminate perceived flicker. It doesn't have enough video bandwidth to display its maximum resolution with a non-interlaced mode without noticeable flicker. The last time I checked, the nv driver didn't support interlacing with the GeForce2 MX/MX 400 chipset under the Etch release. Maybe that has changed with Lenny or Squeeze. The Squeeze version of the nv driver does support interlacing on the RIVA TNT2 chipset. I haven't yet tried the Lenny or Squeeze versions of the nv driver with the GeForce2 MX/MX 400 chipset to see if either of them support interlacing, but preliminary internet searching seems to indicate that at least at one time this was not supported. If the proprietary Nvidia driver doesn't support interlacing, or if it doesn't support my chipsets, it's a non-starter for me. -- .''`. Stephen Powell <zlinuxman(a)wowway.com> : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/932111597.19566031268762187069.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com
From: Sjoerd Hardeman on 16 Mar 2010 14:10 Mark Allums schreef: > On 3/16/2010 11:42 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: >>>> Why not use nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from non-free which >>>> _are_ available as regular Debian packages? They do not suffer from >>>> the >>>> problems that you describe here. >>> >>> They suffer from other problems. The main one being that they are >>> usually uninstallable. At least, in my experience, >>> apt/aptitude/Synaptic refuse to install it. >> >> Because there is usually no pre-built kernel module¹; you have to build >> one yourself, e.g. with module-assistant: >> >> # aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source >> # m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source >> # aptitude install nvidia-glx > > > Where is this documented, or in other words, how are we expected to know > this? By rtfm: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Sjoerd
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