NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter
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From: BURT on 26 Apr 2010 21:14 On Apr 26, 4:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > > xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > matter." > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > is in, a jet stream. > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > universe, or the local universe: > > http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > The same as > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > point in the article: > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > geometrical space" > > What I am saying is even the term 'flow' as used here is incorrect. > What is being mistaken as a 'flow' is the pressure the aether exerts > towards the matter. > > The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the matter is the > "ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > nearby regions" is the state of the aether as determined by its > connections with the matter and the aether in neighboring places which > is the aether's state of displacement. Dark matter would make up most of everything that exists because it would have a common origin at the Absolute Beginning. There is no process that can seperate normal matter from it. There is another explanation to the fast outer stars of galaxies. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 27 Apr 2010 08:28 On Apr 26, 7:40 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > matter." > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe is in, a jet stream. If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html The following images could be interpreted as being images of the universe, or the local universe: http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > The same as > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important point in the article: Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constant http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background geometrical space" The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space". "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement.
From: BURT on 27 Apr 2010 18:42 On Apr 27, 5:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > > xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > matter." > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > is in, a jet stream. > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > universe, or the local universe: > > http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > The same as > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > point in the article: > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > geometrical space" > > The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of > the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections > with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is > the aether's state of displacement. If the universe isn't expanding where is the jet leading to?
From: xxein on 27 Apr 2010 19:49 On Apr 27, 8:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > >xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > matter." > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > is in, a jet stream. > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > universe, or the local universe: > > http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > The same as > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > point in the article: > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > geometrical space" > > The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of > the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections > with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is > the aether's state of displacement. xxein: Does mass move in a gravity? You envision something else that turns out to be a very limited pov. Is not mass carried along by something? Do you defy a gravity and reject a universal expansion? Show how the different red and blue- shift observations to outer localities are made then.
From: mpc755 on 27 Apr 2010 21:50
On Apr 27, 7:49 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Apr 27, 8:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > > >xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > matter." > > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > > is in, a jet stream. > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > universe, or the local universe: > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > > The same as > > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > > point in the article: > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > > geometrical space" > > > The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of > > the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections > > with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is > > the aether's state of displacement. > > xxein: Does mass move in a gravity? You envision something else that > turns out to be a very limited pov. > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Aether is displaced by matter. Displacement creates pressure. Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum medium and the inertial motion of particles' http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the super fluid medium. A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the aether. Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity as the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by matter, what is being discussed is the aether displaced by each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the object. > Is not mass carried along by something? Do you defy a gravity and > reject a universal expansion? Show how the different red and blue- > shift observations to outer localities are made then. I am stating that what is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'. What we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. That does not mean the universe itself is expanding. The following can be considered to be an image of an ongoing process: http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html The following can be considered to be an image of the universe, or the local universe: http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg |